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Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand
Reply #30 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:21pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

I don't go in for fads of the common good and the like. It's all airey fairy stuff.
Look after yourself and your family. THAT is what you should vote on.

and that's why we are giving welfare to people on over $100 000 a year Cheesy

your kids will pay for your greed Andrei. Better if you pay now then they later.

What exactly are my girls going to pay for?

They are growing up enjoying life, they are well looked after and they will contribute to society much like my missus and I have.
I have every faith in the two girls that they will be just fine.

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Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand
Reply #31 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:22pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:21pm:

What exactly are my girls going to pay for?

They are growing up enjoying life, they are well looked after and they will contribute to society much like my missus and I have.
I have every faith in the two girls that they will be just fine.

this generations greed.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #32 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:23pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

This whole Right v Left is just nonsensical.

People do (and should) vote based on their own principles.

1. Whats good for their family.
2. What is good for their job prospects and career stability.
3. What is good for their taxation
4. What is good for their superannuation.
5. What is good for law and order in their community
6. What is good for the country's border and security (eg keep out people we don't want)
7. What is good for their own children's education
8. Good for their healthcare and personal/family well being

Often when I look at all those things and I weigh it up, in Australia it has historically been the Liberal Party and in the UK it has been the Conservatives which have provided to me the best options on all of those things.

I don't go in for fads of the common good and the like. It's all airey fairy stuff.
Look after yourself and your family. THAT is what you should vote on.

We aren't all bugger******** in the head like you bro: Cheesy

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand
Reply #33 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:26pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:21pm:

What exactly are my girls going to pay for?

They are growing up enjoying life, they are well looked after and they will contribute to society much like my missus and I have.
I have every faith in the two girls that they will be just fine.

this generations greed.

If you saw the amount of tax I pay per year, you would hardly call me not contributing....

Strange that some get services for free, pay in next to bugger all into the pot, then moan that some of us get so much more than them....

Which ones are the greedy ones again?

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Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand
Reply #34 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:28pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:21pm:

What exactly are my girls going to pay for?

They are growing up enjoying life, they are well looked after and they will contribute to society much like my missus and I have.
I have every faith in the two girls that they will be just fine.

this generations greed.

If you saw the amount of tax I pay per year, you would hardly call me not contributing....

Strange that some get services for free, pay in next to bugger all into the pot, then moan that some of us get so much more than them....

Which ones are the greedy ones again?

big shot is the only one on a paycheck Grin

hey buddy: you the only one with kids aswelll ?

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand
Reply #35 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:29pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

If you saw the amount of tax I pay per year, you would hardly call me not contributing....

Strange that some get services for free, pay in next to bugger all into the pot, then moan that some of us get so much more than them....

Which ones are the greedy ones again?

yes Andrei, you pay a lot of tax .... you also earn a lot more than most . I'm not talking about the tax you pay anyway, it's the wealthfare that's gotta stop. Whats the point in collecting it if they just hand it back? govt. is there to act as a safety net for those unable to look after themselves. It shouldn't just be handing it back to those that don't need it (me included)

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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oh dear Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 715 Gender:	Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand Reply #36 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:35pm have a look at the LNP corruption thread for starters and ask yourself who do the LNP favour
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Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand
Reply #37 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:36pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

This whole Right v Left is just nonsensical.

People do (and should) vote based on their own principles.

1. Whats good for their family.
2. What is good for their job prospects and career stability.
3. What is good for their taxation
4. What is good for their superannuation.
5. What is good for law and order in their community
6. What is good for the country's border and security (eg keep out people we don't want)
7. What is good for their own children's education
8. Good for their healthcare and personal/family well being

Often when I look at all those things and I weigh it up, in Australia it has historically been the Liberal Party and in the UK it has been the Conservatives which have provided to me the best options on all of those things.

I don't go in for fads of the common good and the like. It's all airey fairy stuff.
Look after yourself and your family. THAT is what you should vote on.

what you should vote for is

What is good for the country. Where will the country be in 30, 40 50 years time
What is good for the community you live in
What infrastructure is plan to be built and what is being built
Are we going to be good neighbours to other counties
How can we help people that are worst off then us

Not vote for me me me all the time

2 new 3 word slogans for the liberal party supporters

ME ME ME

NOW NOW NOW

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oh dear Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 715 Gender:	Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand Reply #38 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:45pm To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand Reply #39 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:02pm oh dear wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:45pm: To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business Frozen super and wage growth
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Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand
Reply #40 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:05pm

oh dear wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business

I can tell you from a viewpoint of a Corporate global view on Operating Expense and cost of labour is that Australia's TCOW (Total Cost of Workforce) which is in essence a variable cost to the business is significantly higher than other countries - primarily as a result of deferred compensation schemes such as Superannuation.

The same worker we emply in the UK we need to pay deferred comp of around 2-3%, for Australia it will go up to as high as 12%.

That's an additional 12% where we just don't have to pay it elsewhere so when you look at investment into countries, Australia is very high to employ local people - unless we can bring in people from outside on temporary agreements.

So the Australian Government is correct on reviewing this because it is a cost to business and it is a cost to the country on its competitive advantage.

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Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand
Reply #41 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 12:04am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

oh dear wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business

I can tell you from a viewpoint of a Corporate global view on Operating Expense and cost of labour is that Australia's TCOW (Total Cost of Workforce) which is in essence a variable cost to the business is significantly higher than other countries - primarily as a result of deferred compensation schemes such as Superannuation.

The same worker we emply in the UK we need to pay deferred comp of around 2-3%, for Australia it will go up to as high as 12%.

That's an additional 12% where we just don't have to pay it elsewhere so when you look at investment into countries, Australia is very high to employ local people - unless we can bring in people from outside on temporary agreements.

So the Australian Government is correct on reviewing this because it is a cost to business and it is a cost to the country on its competitive advantage.

Do you really expect the economic illiterates on this website to understand what you have said? These left wing clueless gumps would have their hemarroids explode if they managed a thought that was related to the real world.

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Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand
Reply #42 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 12:34am

Jennifer wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

oh dear wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business

I can tell you from a viewpoint of a Corporate global view on Operating Expense and cost of labour is that Australia's TCOW (Total Cost of Workforce) which is in essence a variable cost to the business is significantly higher than other countries - primarily as a result of deferred compensation schemes such as Superannuation.

The same worker we emply in the UK we need to pay deferred comp of around 2-3%, for Australia it will go up to as high as 12%.

That's an additional 12% where we just don't have to pay it elsewhere so when you look at investment into countries, Australia is very high to employ local people - unless we can bring in people from outside on temporary agreements.

So the Australian Government is correct on reviewing this because it is a cost to business and it is a cost to the country on its competitive advantage.

Do you really expect the economic illiterates on this website to understand what you have said? These left wing clueless gumps would have their hemarroids explode if they managed a thought that was related to the real world.

So let me get this right... you abhor superannuation, social security, etc.... then expect a society to fund its retirees, its ill, its insane, its unemployed etc.... from where?

From one who can't spell haemorrhoids (I was once an Army medic) you are quite adamant.. and here I was thinking you might be John Smith in disguise...

Andrei - you are always free not to trade here, and I suspect we would do far better without you and your 'global market' ... in Rome do as the Aussies do.... or eat it.

I don't see anyone holding a gun to your head to trade here, so what is it that draws your vampyre company here? ...... Shoosh.... begone.. get thee behind me..... if you can't keep up with a global market that requires that, like any business, you need to view your costings as an overall thing and not seek to imply that since you want to remain open on Sunday for the best trade or in Australia for the best trade... somehow that will 'cost' you more... you need to leave the building.

Talk about 'economic illiterates'.... some have degrees in accounting...

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Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand
Reply #43 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 12:37am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 12:34am:

Jennifer wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

oh dear wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

To give one example why have the current government frozen super? call me cynical but I see a government who panders to business

I can tell you from a viewpoint of a Corporate global view on Operating Expense and cost of labour is that Australia's TCOW (Total Cost of Workforce) which is in essence a variable cost to the business is significantly higher than other countries - primarily as a result of deferred compensation schemes such as Superannuation.

The same worker we emply in the UK we need to pay deferred comp of around 2-3%, for Australia it will go up to as high as 12%.

That's an additional 12% where we just don't have to pay it elsewhere so when you look at investment into countries, Australia is very high to employ local people - unless we can bring in people from outside on temporary agreements.

So the Australian Government is correct on reviewing this because it is a cost to business and it is a cost to the country on its competitive advantage.

Do you really expect the economic illiterates on this website to understand what you have said? These left wing clueless gumps would have their hemarroids explode if they managed a thought that was related to the real world.

So let me get this right... you abhor superannuation, social security, etc.... then expect a society to fund its retirees, its ill, its insane, its unemployed etc.... from where?

From one who can't spell haemorrhoids (I was once an Army medic) you are quite adamant.. and here I was thinking you might be John Smith in disguise...

Andrei - you are always free not to trade here, and I suspect we would do far better without you and your 'global market' ... in Rome do as the Aussies do.... or eat it.

I don't see anyone holding a gun to your head to trade here, so what is it that draws your vampyre company here? ...... Shoosh.... begone.. get thee behind me..... if you can't keep up with a global market that requires that, like any business, you need to view your costings as an overall thing and not seek to imply that since you want to remain open on Sunday for the best trade or in Australia for the best trade... somehow that will 'cost' you more... you need to leave the building.

Talk about 'economic illiterates'.... some have degrees in accounting...

So let me get this right, you enjoy making strawman arguments?

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89968 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: A house divided against itself cannot stand Reply #44 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 12:38am Nope - just shot you both down in flames.... you no like... you leave....
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