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Re: WA back on track
Reply #90 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:54pm

Its time wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

Neferti wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

I did read it and a lot of the contributors at Whirlpool are very knowledgeable and work in this field.

Next summer with more nodes and more subscribers per node (assuming Malcolm doesn’t get a rush of common sense to the head) there will be many nodes shut down or operate at minimum level in the heat. Larger cabinets would have been better.

I did read of cabinets failing and the various techs I talked to all said the heat exchanger can only cope up to a certain temperature.

Will not affect me, I have no intention of subscribing to FTTN.

Most Whirlpool guys are kids ........ you are their Great Grandfather. Do you play any online games, at all? That's what they care about ....... ONLINE Games ........ ask them .... Wink

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That is a very UNNECESSARY OBSERVATION and didn't need you to interfere with the Lips Sealed

it ...... plus who the bugger are you to tell me what I can say or do?

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Reply #91 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 7:09pm

Neferti wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

I did read it and a lot of the contributors at Whirlpool are very knowledgeable and work in this field.

Next summer with more nodes and more subscribers per node (assuming Malcolm doesn’t get a rush of common sense to the head) there will be many nodes shut down or operate at minimum level in the heat. Larger cabinets would have been better.

I did read of cabinets failing and the various techs I talked to all said the heat exchanger can only cope up to a certain temperature.

Will not affect me, I have no intention of subscribing to FTTN.

Most Whirlpool guys are kids ........ you are their Great Grandfather. Do you play any online games, at all? That's what they care about ....... ONLINE Games ........ ask them .... Wink

Good grief, you really are as stupid as I thought you were.

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Re: WA back on track
Reply #92 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:04pm

mariacostel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

mariacostel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

Bam wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:51am:

http://independentaustralia.net/wordpress-opt/wp-content/2012/05/trickle-down.jp...

Rather than use cheesy photos,

You do it. Why can't others?

mariacostel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

how about you make the claim that the average worker is WORSE OFF in the 30 years since that statement. Then WE can laugh at you as per the photo.

Casualisation of the Australian workforce is rising, permanent full-time jobs are getting scarce. Millions of Australians don't have work that's stable enough to get a bank loan, far more than 30 years ago, both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the work force.

Trickle down is a MYTH.

How about you quote ACTUAL FIGURES, because unemployment is far lower than back in the 70s and house ownership is still the highest in the world. Permanent jobs getting scarce? WHAT RUBBISH! The 'job for life' has certainly gone, but thats no loss to a worker with any skills.

I do love the silly statement that less people are getting bank loans now IN ABSOLUTE NUMBERS than 30 years ago.

You are your own worst enemy with foolishness like that.

Why should I waste my time pandering to you when you never, ever provide links to support your own figures, which more often than not turn out to be made-up nonsense?

What happened to the wealth divide during the mining boom? It GREW. So much for that. Where did this supposed wealth go? Here's a clue.

You can try to prove that trickle down works, but you would be lying if you did. Because you can't make any credible argument, you don't bother. That's why you spend all your time sniping at others and behaving like a bridge full of trolls with machine guns.

And if you want "actual figures", you need to go and spend about three weeks replying to a couple of thousand requests for you to provide your own figures in hundreds of threads going back several years. You've got a lot of work to do, so get busy. Chop chop!!

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Reply #93 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:12pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Bah.

Here is a nice post from Whirlpool:

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The problem with passive/fan type of cooling is that the temperature inside the cabinet will never get below the outside ambient temperature which means the electronics will have cope with temperatures of 40C+ degrees.

To keep the FTTN working in high temperatures

1. The electronics will be of high quality (military grade) expensive.
2. The speed get throttled back and maybe to a point where they shut down.
3. The cabinets use refrigerated cooling also expensive.

All not very nice options.

When designing a system and its critical you have to design for the worst possible conditions so the cabinets to operate at 50C degrees.

P.S. When Tasmania was connected to the national electricity the major power sub station was only designed to operate up to 35C degrees, first hot day came along and the sub station shutdown.

Mr,Wizzard

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/index.cfm?action=reply&r=48852574

Another problem I have heard that's blowing out the cost of the NBN installation are the electrical requirements for the cabinets. Each power company has their own standards for connecting the power to the cabinets and the power companies have been known to change their standards from time to time. If the power company changes the power requirements after the job is completed, the job has to be done again. This alone is adding billions of dollars to the cost of the NBN rollout.

It is one of the great failures of self-regulation that we're going to hear more about in the future.

This is why I am strongly in favour of a single set of consistent national standards in various areas. A single set of national standards is much easier to comply with than a set of state-based standards, or, worse, a large set of company-based standards that are imposed by unelected company officials and that have no consistency or obvious reasoning behind them and no obvious timetable for revision.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: WA back on track Reply #94 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:16pm True, powering the nodes is another whole problem and source of extra costs and delay. Nothing about the MTM makes sense.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: WA back on track Reply #95 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:27pm miketrees wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 7:04am: you still pulling that old chestnut? trickle down has been proven not to work so many times, I can't believe you're still willing to use it. John who is going to be paying the bills in your brave new world? taxpayers .... not tax evaders, but taxpayers
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: WA back on track Reply #96 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:34pm Swagman wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bam wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:59am: Trickle down is a MYTH Really? So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up? you can thank the unions for that one
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19922 Gender:	Re: WA back on track Reply #97 - Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:17pm John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:34pm: you can thank the unions for that one Unions pay taxes?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: WA back on track Reply #98 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 7:55am lee wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 10:17pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:34pm: you can thank the unions for that one Unions pay taxes? were you born daft?
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Reply #99 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 8:40am

John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

Trickle down is a MYTH

Really?

So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up?

Huh

you can thank the unions for that one

Wages grew because the bosses out of the genorosity of their hearts thought they would reward their workers

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Reply #100 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:19am

Its time wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 8:40am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

Trickle down is a MYTH

Really?

So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up?

Huh

you can thank the unions for that one

Wages grew because the bosses out of the genorosity of their hearts thought they would reward their workers

Wages grow because the demand for labour increases. Higher demand and a reducing supply of labour pushes up the price of labour (wages).

Just ask yourself "are things better for individuals during economic booms or economic depressions".

Then try and deny 'trickle down' Huh

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Re: WA back on track
Reply #101 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:23am

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Bah.

Here is a nice post from Whirlpool:

Quote:

The problem with passive/fan type of cooling is that the temperature inside the cabinet will never get below the outside ambient temperature which means the electronics will have cope with temperatures of 40C+ degrees.

To keep the FTTN working in high temperatures

1. The electronics will be of high quality (military grade) expensive.
2. The speed get throttled back and maybe to a point where they shut down.
3. The cabinets use refrigerated cooling also expensive.

All not very nice options.

When designing a system and its critical you have to design for the worst possible conditions so the cabinets to operate at 50C degrees.

P.S. When Tasmania was connected to the national electricity the major power sub station was only designed to operate up to 35C degrees, first hot day came along and the sub station shutdown.

Mr,Wizzard

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/index.cfm?action=reply&r=48852574

So your entire evidence is s single post which has such stellar insights that the inside of the cabinet will never be cooler than the outside? Is that some kind of discovery to him?

The only evidence that can support your stupid claim is actual examples of heat-related failures en masse. Other than that, you are obviously lying.

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Reply #102 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:24am

Swagman wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

Its time wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 8:40am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

Trickle down is a MYTH

Really?

So why is it that when business is booming, wages grow, unemployment declines, tax revenues that pay for the pensioners, public services and the down trodden ones, go up?

Huh

you can thank the unions for that one

Wages grew because the bosses out of the genorosity of their hearts thought they would reward their workers

Wages grow because the demand for labour increases. Higher demand and a reducing supply of labour pushes up the price of labour (wages).

Just ask yourself "are things better for individuals during economic booms or economic depressions".

Then try and deny 'trickle down' Huh

You DO realise “Trickle down” refers to something else entirely, Swag? I never had a high opinion of your intelligence or knowledge but here you are hopelessly wrong. I suggest you grab a Kit Kat and do some reading because you are coming across as a Village Id iot.

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Reply #103 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:26am

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

I did read it and a lot of the contributors at Whirlpool are very knowledgeable and work in this field.

Next summer with more nodes and more subscribers per node (assuming Malcolm doesn’t get a rush of common sense to the head) there will be many nodes shut down or operate at minimum level in the heat. Larger cabinets would have been better.

I did read of cabinets failing and the various techs I talked to all said the heat exchanger can only cope up to a certain temperature.

Will not affect me, I have no intention of subscribing to FTTN.

You presume you will get a choice. You won't.

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Jennifer Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 134 QLD Gender:	Re: WA back on track Reply #104 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:26am Doesn't take long for the left to become abusive.
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