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Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates
Reply #45 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 3:52pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:

So if there were 2 cafes side by side, and they both had equal quality coffee, and one charged $4 a cup and the other $8 a cup. You'd buy the $8 version? Huh

Hypothetical nonsense based on a falsehood.

Penalty rate surcharges are in the order of 20% and not the 100% that you're falsely implying here. Either that, or you're implying that labour costs are 100% of a business's operating costs which as you should know is not true.

Now show us a real world example where this is actually happening and stop making up crap.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates Reply #46 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 4:54pm I am dead against any surcharge , penalty rates and public holidays have been around for decades , the business owner has already factored this in to cost to the goods we as the customers purchase . Greedy aholes just want to double dip .
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates Reply #47 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 5:58pm Swag is mostly nonsense. Having spewed out some stuff from Productivity Commission, I've given some back. Penalty rates ensure quality of life remains quality.
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Wolseley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1453 Sydney Gender:	Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates Reply #48 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 6:59pm Its time wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 4:54pm: I am dead against any surcharge , penalty rates and public holidays have been around for decades So have surcharges, particularly on Sundays and Public Holidays.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates Reply #49 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 7:03pm Wolseley wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Its time wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 4:54pm: I am dead against any surcharge , penalty rates and public holidays have been around for decades So have surcharges, particularly on Sundays and Public Holidays. Already factored in to the price you pay from Mon - Fri.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates Reply #50 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 7:57pm Wolseley wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 6:59pm: Its time wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 4:54pm: I am dead against any surcharge , penalty rates and public holidays have been around for decades So have surcharges, particularly on Sundays and Public Holidays. ...not for the people they make and keep unemployed
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Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates
Reply #51 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:10pm

Bam wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 3:52pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:

So if there were 2 cafes side by side, and they both had equal quality coffee, and one charged $4 a cup and the other $8 a cup. You'd buy the $8 version? Huh

Hypothetical nonsense based on a falsehood.

Penalty rate surcharges are in the order of 20% and not the 100% that you're falsely implying here. Either that, or you're implying that labour costs are 100% of a business's operating costs which as you should know is not true.

Now show us a real world example where this is actually happening and stop making up crap.

My example is simply hyperbole to better illustrate a point.

However if you consider a 20% surcharge to be closer to reality then it still makes the coffee price in the example $5 compared to $4. If the quality is the same then the result would be equally the same as in my hyperbolized example.... Cheesy

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Reply #52 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:16pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 3:52pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:

So if there were 2 cafes side by side, and they both had equal quality coffee, and one charged $4 a cup and the other $8 a cup. You'd buy the $8 version? Huh

Hypothetical nonsense based on a falsehood.

Penalty rate surcharges are in the order of 20% and not the 100% that you're falsely implying here. Either that, or you're implying that labour costs are 100% of a business's operating costs which as you should know is not true.

Now show us a real world example where this is actually happening and stop making up crap.

My example is simply hyperbole to better illustrate a point.

However if you consider a 20% surcharge to be closer to reality then it still makes the coffee price in the example $5 compared to $4. If the quality is the same then the result would be equally the same as in my hyperbolized example.... Cheesy

How many people do you think depend on penalty rates to make ends meet?

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates Reply #53 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:23pm Its time wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:16pm: How many people do you think depend on penalty rates to make ends meet? ...how many people don't?
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates Reply #54 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:29pm Yep Swag can keep on spewing nonsense. No response to the other productivity commission statements? Lets keep trying to overturn each other statements. Penalty rates don't cause unemployment.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates Reply #55 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:30pm Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Its time wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:16pm: How many people do you think depend on penalty rates to make ends meet? ...how many people don't? So its a class war with you?
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates Reply #56 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:31pm stunspore wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:29pm: . Penalty rates don't cause unemployment. Outside the market compulsory ones do.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates Reply #57 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:34pm Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:31pm: stunspore wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:29pm: . Penalty rates don't cause unemployment. Outside the market compulsory ones do. It's factored in to the Mon-Fri price Swag, don't pretend it isn't .
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates Reply #58 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:37pm Its time wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Its time wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:16pm: How many people do you think depend on penalty rates to make ends meet? ...how many people don't? So its a class war with you? ...there are no classes....just ideologies
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Re: A Surcharge To Cover Penalty Rates
Reply #59 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:47pm

Its time wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:31pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:29pm:

. Penalty rates don't cause unemployment.

Outside the market compulsory ones do.

It's factored in to the Mon-Fri price Swag, don't pretend it isn't .

...depends on the business. They are all different. That variety, fickle trading conditions, variable purchasing power, availability of working capital is why penalty rates shouldn't be compulsory.

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