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Reply #30 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:37am

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

Carnal; the language I shall use is dit,dit,dit...dum,dum,dum. Yes, I think I'll try English. Firstly, I wasn't asking a question, I was making a comment. The entire thread is about a group's right to demonstrate without being assaulted. Even if they are repulsive. If you're like Pecker (and I suspect you are) you'll undoubtedly be shaking your fist at the idea of someone supporting the KKK's right to hold a peaceful demonstration. If that's the case (and I suspect it is) then what does that REALLY say about your attitude towards freedom of speech. Of course, have all the freedom of speech you want as long as it conforms to our wishy-washy leftist hand-wringing. BTW, I wouldn't even to talk to the piece of camel's faeces from next door.

I could be wrong, but I believe the KKK has been banned as a terrorist organization in some US states. Do you uphold the right of Al Qaida or ISIS holding demonstrations in Melbourne and Sydney?

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Reply #31 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:52am

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

I agree, Rose. At the same time, we have seen attacks on the Australia Patriot's Front or whatever they're called while they have held peaceful protests in Australia. When I write peaceful I don't mean agreeable or even justifiable. I mean an assembly of like minded people voicing their opinions in a legal and democratic way. Is that still legal? Or are the freedoms of speech and assembly now only reserved for those with 'acceptable' opinions? If that's the case how can we be sure we have freedom of speech and not just a licence to express what our betters allow?

That depends. In most Australian states, you need permission to hold a protest demo, particularly if you're blocking streets. The police make a judgment call whether such a protest is likely to attract violence.

Queensland has quite strict laws about gatherings. NSW is more liberal. The police didn't (or couldn't) stop the Cronulla riot, for example. They did, however, recommend that people stay home on that day.

I'm all for the freedom of assembly, but I've come to hate protests. They are inherently angry. This anger has nowhere to go. People always leave street protests disappointed. Such anger and disappointment does not necessarily translate into political action. I can't think of anything worse than marching down George Street chanting slogans in unison. Hey hey, ho ho...

It might be different when people have no other way to express their discontent. The Arab Spring centred around a number of key protests in city centres, and they had the effect of removing governments.

The most instrumental demonstrations, of course, were the US civil rights marches in the 1960s. They had such an impact, LBJ begged Martin Luther King to stop the marches. The result of this was blacks getting the vote and the end of segregation.

The KKK can hardly be compared to this. Most members insist on anonymity. Their platform is a racially "pure" America. They want blacks and Hispanics somehow removed from society. They hide their identities to evade the law and avoid social stigma. This can hardly be seen as freedom of expression.

The civil rights movement was about applying the US constitution to all members of society. The KKK want to abandon the constitution and the rule of law. The difference between these two movements is stark: one wants to uphold the law, the other wants to evade it.

Any reference to freedom of expression needs to take this into account.

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Reply #32 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:16am

Big Donger wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:37am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

Carnal; the language I shall use is dit,dit,dit...dum,dum,dum. Yes, I think I'll try English. Firstly, I wasn't asking a question, I was making a comment. The entire thread is about a group's right to demonstrate without being assaulted. Even if they are repulsive. If you're like Pecker (and I suspect you are) you'll undoubtedly be shaking your fist at the idea of someone supporting the KKK's right to hold a peaceful demonstration. If that's the case (and I suspect it is) then what does that REALLY say about your attitude towards freedom of speech. Of course, have all the freedom of speech you want as long as it conforms to our wishy-washy leftist hand-wringing. BTW, I wouldn't even to talk to the piece of camel's faeces from next door.

I could be wrong, but I believe the KKK has been banned as a terrorist organization in some US states. Do you uphold the right of Al Qaida or ISIS holding demonstrations in Melbourne and Sydney?

You are wrong. Resorting to lying now candy ass.

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Reply #33 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:21am

Big Donger wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:52am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

I agree, Rose. At the same time, we have seen attacks on the Australia Patriot's Front or whatever they're called while they have held peaceful protests in Australia. When I write peaceful I don't mean agreeable or even justifiable. I mean an assembly of like minded people voicing their opinions in a legal and democratic way. Is that still legal? Or are the freedoms of speech and assembly now only reserved for those with 'acceptable' opinions? If that's the case how can we be sure we have freedom of speech and not just a licence to express what our betters allow?

That depends. In most Australian states, you need permission to hold a protest demo, particularly if you're blocking streets. The police make a judgment call whether such a protest is likely to attract violence.

Queensland has quite strict laws about gatherings. NSW is more liberal. The police didn't (or couldn't) stop the Cronulla riot, for example. They did, however, recommend that people stay home on that day.

I'm all for the freedom of assembly, but I've come to hate protests. They are inherently angry. This anger has nowhere to go. People always leave street protests disappointed. Such anger and disappointment does not necessarily translate into political action. I can't think of anything worse than marching down George Street chanting slogans in unison. Hey hey, ho ho...

It might be different when people have no other way to express their discontent. The Arab Spring centred around a number of key protests in city centres, and they had the effect of removing governments.

The most instrumental demonstrations, of course, were the US civil rights marches in the 1960s. They had such an impact, LBJ begged Martin Luther King to stop the marches. The result of this was blacks getting the vote and the end of segregation.

The KKK can hardly be compared to this. Most members insist on anonymity. Their platform is a racially "pure" America. They want blacks and Hispanics somehow removed from society. They hide their identities to evade the law and avoid social stigma. This can hardly be seen as freedom of expression.

The civil rights movement was about applying the US constitution to all members of society. The KKK want to abandon the constitution and the rule of law. The difference between these two movements is stark: one wants to uphold the law, the other wants to evade it.

Any reference to freedom of expression needs to take this into account.

So you don't like demos that turn nasty but you respected the American civil right demos that turned nasty???

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Blacks And Do-gooders Attack The Klan Reply #35 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:24am greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:23am: We didn't see an answer to this question, Homo: "Do you uphold the right of Al Qaida or ISIS holding demonstrations in Melbourne and Sydney?" The klan is a legal institution in the sates. Those two muslim groups are banned. Different thing.
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Reply #36 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:25am

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:23am:

We didn't see an answer to this question, Homo:

"Do you uphold the right of Al Qaida or ISIS holding demonstrations in Melbourne and Sydney?"

The klan is a legal institution in the sates. Those two muslim groups are banned. Different thing.

Are you a member of the Klan, Homo?

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Reply #37 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:27am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:25am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:23am:

We didn't see an answer to this question, Homo:

"Do you uphold the right of Al Qaida or ISIS holding demonstrations in Melbourne and Sydney?"

The klan is a legal institution in the sates. Those two muslim groups are banned. Different thing.

Are you a member of the Klan, Homo?

Aren't you getting off track. Where did that question come from? You moved from an American issue to Australia and now asking if I'm a member of the klan. Damage control obviously.

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Re: Blacks And Do-gooders Attack The Klan
Reply #38 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:37am

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:25am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:23am:

We didn't see an answer to this question, Homo:

"Do you uphold the right of Al Qaida or ISIS holding demonstrations in Melbourne and Sydney?"

The klan is a legal institution in the sates. Those two muslim groups are banned. Different thing.

Are you a member of the Klan, Homo?

Aren't you getting off track. Where did that question come from? You moved from an American issue to Australia and now asking if I'm a member of the klan. Damage control obviously.

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice, Homo.

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Re: Blacks And Do-gooders Attack The Klan
Reply #39 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:39am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:37am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:25am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:23am:

We didn't see an answer to this question, Homo:

"Do you uphold the right of Al Qaida or ISIS holding demonstrations in Melbourne and Sydney?"

The klan is a legal institution in the sates. Those two muslim groups are banned. Different thing.

Are you a member of the Klan, Homo?

Aren't you getting off track. Where did that question come from? You moved from an American issue to Australia and now asking if I'm a member of the klan. Damage control obviously.

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice, Homo.

nope. are you a member of gay pride?

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Reply #40 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:45am

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:37am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:25am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:23am:

We didn't see an answer to this question, Homo:

"Do you uphold the right of Al Qaida or ISIS holding demonstrations in Melbourne and Sydney?"

The klan is a legal institution in the sates. Those two muslim groups are banned. Different thing.

Are you a member of the Klan, Homo?

Aren't you getting off track. Where did that question come from? You moved from an American issue to Australia and now asking if I'm a member of the klan. Damage control obviously.

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice, Homo.

nope. are you a member of gay pride?

Nope.

I didn't realise one had to be a member.

Does Sir Booby man the phones?

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Reply #41 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:48am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:45am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:37am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:25am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:23am:

We didn't see an answer to this question, Homo:

"Do you uphold the right of Al Qaida or ISIS holding demonstrations in Melbourne and Sydney?"

The klan is a legal institution in the sates. Those two muslim groups are banned. Different thing.

Are you a member of the Klan, Homo?

Aren't you getting off track. Where did that question come from? You moved from an American issue to Australia and now asking if I'm a member of the klan. Damage control obviously.

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice, Homo.

nope. are you a member of gay pride?

Nope.

I didn't realise one had to be a member.

Does Sir Booby man the phones?

You do come across and girly and beta . It thought you were.

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Reply #42 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 10:25am

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:21am:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:52am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

I agree, Rose. At the same time, we have seen attacks on the Australia Patriot's Front or whatever they're called while they have held peaceful protests in Australia. When I write peaceful I don't mean agreeable or even justifiable. I mean an assembly of like minded people voicing their opinions in a legal and democratic way. Is that still legal? Or are the freedoms of speech and assembly now only reserved for those with 'acceptable' opinions? If that's the case how can we be sure we have freedom of speech and not just a licence to express what our betters allow?

That depends. In most Australian states, you need permission to hold a protest demo, particularly if you're blocking streets. The police make a judgment call whether such a protest is likely to attract violence.

Queensland has quite strict laws about gatherings. NSW is more liberal. The police didn't (or couldn't) stop the Cronulla riot, for example. They did, however, recommend that people stay home on that day.

I'm all for the freedom of assembly, but I've come to hate protests. They are inherently angry. This anger has nowhere to go. People always leave street protests disappointed. Such anger and disappointment does not necessarily translate into political action. I can't think of anything worse than marching down George Street chanting slogans in unison. Hey hey, ho ho...

It might be different when people have no other way to express their discontent. The Arab Spring centred around a number of key protests in city centres, and they had the effect of removing governments.

The most instrumental demonstrations, of course, were the US civil rights marches in the 1960s. They had such an impact, LBJ begged Martin Luther King to stop the marches. The result of this was blacks getting the vote and the end of segregation.

The KKK can hardly be compared to this. Most members insist on anonymity. Their platform is a racially "pure" America. They want blacks and Hispanics somehow removed from society. They hide their identities to evade the law and avoid social stigma. This can hardly be seen as freedom of expression.

The civil rights movement was about applying the US constitution to all members of society. The KKK want to abandon the constitution and the rule of law. The difference between these two movements is stark: one wants to uphold the law, the other wants to evade it.

Any reference to freedom of expression needs to take this into account.

So you don't like demos that turn nasty but you respected the American civil right demos that turned nasty???

No, I don't like demos at all. The whole group-think thing does my head in. Demos are a tool. They work for some things, but not others. The KKK does not do demos - a demo is a popular protest, and for this you need to reveal your identity. A demonstration is a way of displaying your public solidarity with a cause.

The KKK meet in private and keep their identities hidden. They aren't interested in freedom of expression. They promote violence. They have a history of lynchings.

The American civil rights demos turned nasty because police in places like Alabama went in with truncheons. Martin Luther King was successful in turning these marches into peaceful forms of protest. He was inspired by Gandhi.

There's your dichotomy, Homo: peaceful, non-violent street marches versus cross-burnings and lynchings. I'm explaining the bleedingly obvious to you so that we can be in no doubt that you understand this. If you want me to clarify anything, please ask.

Otherwise, I'll be going back to speaking in Pakistani.

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Reply #43 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 10:32am

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:23am:

We didn't see an answer to this question, Homo:

"Do you uphold the right of Al Qaida or ISIS holding demonstrations in Melbourne and Sydney?"

The klan is a legal institution in the sates. Those two muslim groups are banned. Different thing.

Er...

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Today, many sources classify the Klan as a "subversive or terrorist organization".[31][32][33][34] In April 1997, FBI agents arrested four members of the True Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in Dallas for conspiracy to commit robbery and conspiring to blow up a natural gas processing plant.[35] In 1999, the city council of Charleston, South Carolina passed a resolution declaring the Klan to be a terrorist organization.[36] In 2004, a professor at the University of Louisville began a campaign to have the Klan declared a terrorist organization in order to ban it from campus.[37]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

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Reply #44 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 10:38am

Big Donger wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 10:25am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:21am:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:52am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

I agree, Rose. At the same time, we have seen attacks on the Australia Patriot's Front or whatever they're called while they have held peaceful protests in Australia. When I write peaceful I don't mean agreeable or even justifiable. I mean an assembly of like minded people voicing their opinions in a legal and democratic way. Is that still legal? Or are the freedoms of speech and assembly now only reserved for those with 'acceptable' opinions? If that's the case how can we be sure we have freedom of speech and not just a licence to express what our betters allow?

That depends. In most Australian states, you need permission to hold a protest demo, particularly if you're blocking streets. The police make a judgment call whether such a protest is likely to attract violence.

Queensland has quite strict laws about gatherings. NSW is more liberal. The police didn't (or couldn't) stop the Cronulla riot, for example. They did, however, recommend that people stay home on that day.

I'm all for the freedom of assembly, but I've come to hate protests. They are inherently angry. This anger has nowhere to go. People always leave street protests disappointed. Such anger and disappointment does not necessarily translate into political action. I can't think of anything worse than marching down George Street chanting slogans in unison. Hey hey, ho ho...

It might be different when people have no other way to express their discontent. The Arab Spring centred around a number of key protests in city centres, and they had the effect of removing governments.

The most instrumental demonstrations, of course, were the US civil rights marches in the 1960s. They had such an impact, LBJ begged Martin Luther King to stop the marches. The result of this was blacks getting the vote and the end of segregation.

The KKK can hardly be compared to this. Most members insist on anonymity. Their platform is a racially "pure" America. They want blacks and Hispanics somehow removed from society. They hide their identities to evade the law and avoid social stigma. This can hardly be seen as freedom of expression.

The civil rights movement was about applying the US constitution to all members of society. The KKK want to abandon the constitution and the rule of law. The difference between these two movements is stark: one wants to uphold the law, the other wants to evade it.

Any reference to freedom of expression needs to take this into account.

So you don't like demos that turn nasty but you respected the American civil right demos that turned nasty???

No, I don't like demos at all. The whole group-think thing does my head in. Demos are a tool. They work for some things, but not others. The KKK does not do demos - a demo is a popular protest, and for this you need to reveal your identity. A demonstration is a way of displaying your public solidarity with a cause.

The KKK meet in private and keep their identities hidden. They aren't interested in freedom of expression. They promote violence. They have a history of lynchings.

The American civil rights demos turned nasty because police in places like Alabama went in with truncheons. Martin Luther King was successful in turning these marches into peaceful forms of protest. He was inspired by Gandhi.

There's your dichotomy, Homo: peaceful, non-violent street marches versus cross-burnings and lynchings. I'm explaining the bleedingly obvious to you so that we can be in no doubt that you understand this. If you want me to clarify anything, please ask.

Otherwise, I'll be going back to speaking in Pakistani.

The modern day klan demo is peaceful . Check them out on youtube. The ones who bung it on are the leftists and blacks. And back to the civil right movement , the Black Panthers were murdering and blowing things up. There was looting, violence, arson etc etc etc during that .Don't gloss over it. The Black Lives Matter movement is way more out of control than the Klan. Why no comment?

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