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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: Fukushima 50000 Bq/kg Cesium found in Monkey turds Reply #90 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:07am Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:34pm: Fukushima should start to clear up in the years 252,000 BC and with respect to Uranium, things should brighten up for the people of Japan by the year 45,000,002,000 BC. So now we're travelling back in time?
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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: Fukushima 50000 Bq/kg Cesium found in Monkey turds Reply #91 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:09am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:17pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:47pm: A mate of mine said he's going to Japan next week, to Fukasheila. Is that safe? Dont know, does your wife have any diseases? Ratbag
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Reply #92 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:14am

John_Taverner wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:07am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:34pm:

Fukushima should start to clear up in the years 252,000 BC and with respect to Uranium, things should brighten up for the people of Japan by the year 45,000,002,000 BC.

So now we're travelling back in time?

well done John.

Of course I meant AD.

Silly me.

Have you found any other critical errors in my assessment of the Fukushima disaster and with my Coombes on radiation exposure risk in general?

Crazy industry the nuclear industry isn't it John? Just like Einstein warned. But what would he know?

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Reply #93 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:29am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:37am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:35am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:32am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:25am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:20am:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Its interesting to note that the NY Academy of Sciences had to withdraw public access to the Chernobyl report due to several years of political lobbying by the Nuclear power and weapons industry. They cant squash the report, but its a lot more difficult to gain access to it in the public realm.

I would delve into that statement a little a lot deeper. Don't take it at face value.

of course

With your experience in Radiation safety, you would know that there are radionuclides (or their daughter products) that bind directly to the DNA and can cause double strand breaks....

With your experience in biology, you'd also know that our cells have repair mechanisms to fix any breaks or destroy any abnormal cells.

single strand breaks in DNA can be repaired but the more you have the more chance of repair errors.

Perhaps you can describe the mechanism by which double strand breaks are repaired?

Yes there are three mechanisms. Non homologous end join whereby short DNA sequences are used to guide repair, microhomology-mediated end joining (error prone and only used when the other 2 aren't suitable) and homologous recombination (similar to the process in meiosis) where the affected part of the DNA is replaced with normal copy from another chromosome.

ANy other queries?

And you worked in the Nuclear industry and are not aware that there are radionuclides or their second event daughter products that directly bind to DNA?

interesting....

And yet you seem blissfully unaware that our cells have for millions of years the mechanisms to adapt to such damage?

interesting, or blissfully ignorant and delusional.

And what experience does life have with synthetic long lived radionuclides such as Pu ?

Have you opened up your smoke detector lately? Where did that Americium 241 isotope come from?

The nuclear industry is morally and even economically indefensible. Only the ones with their snouts in the Yellow cake trough try to defend it.

It's not possible to obtain public liability insurance for nuclear power stations anywhere in the world today. Who pays when there is a meltdown?

How much will the Fukushima meltdown cost to remediate? Is it even possible to clean the mess up?

You need to talk to a few Cattle farm owners in England about why their animal stock needs to be tested for Chernobyl fallout isotopes such as Cesium before being sold on the market.

These English farmers were told that their farms and produce would be quarranteened for a month or two after the Chernobyl meltdown and fallout. They are still classified as contaminated and the bulk of their animals and plant produce fail cesium limit tests even today. The farmers move their cattle etc to clean pastures for 6 or more months so that they can lower their contamination levels per kg. They then can sell to the market.

Good luck with your burger

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Fukushima 50000 Bq/kg Cesium found in Monkey turds Reply #94 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:41am Thanks. PLease continue with science, one day you may understand it.
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Reply #95 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:52am

How on earth can I possibly recover from that counter argument?

I am certainly up against the ropes now ladies and gentlemen. It's going to be very difficult for me to bounce back from that clever and well crafted retort.

Well done Kojack. Well done mate.

Congratulations on everything you have done for TEPCO and the IAEA and of course those NR bodies all over the world.

Well done mate

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Fukushima 50000 Bq/kg Cesium found in Monkey turds Reply #96 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:12am Thank you very much, quite easy to do when you've posted zero science content and instead gone with did you know in the 50s that Did you know in the 50s that people drank faeces? I don't need to produce any actual references, I just need to state that in the 50s thats what they did.
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Reply #97 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:44am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:12am:

Thank you very much, quite easy to do when you've posted zero science content and instead gone with did you know in the 50s that

Did you know in the 50s that people drank faeces? I don't need to produce any actual references, I just need to state that in the 50s thats what they did.

Why do you detest and ignore the direct effects on health and DNA damage of internal radiation exposure?

Do you think that Australia should become the world's nuclear garbage dump site for the worlds toxic nuclear waste? We all know what the Sth Australian Royal Commission into nuclear issues has recently said on this matter, as well as the Great Premier of Sth Australia.

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Reply #98 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:53am

ARPANSA Lunacy

lets examine the lunacy in the limited Australian Nuclear safety sector. The ARPANSA gang have very interesting advise on how to dispose of small amounts of Am241 - an alpha emitter with a half life of over 400 years. Apparently people should only be concerned if 10 or more detectors need to be disposed of at once. Disposing of less than 10 detectors apparently entails NO RISK AT ALL. Cheesy

Safe disposal of smoke detectors

Individual (or small numbers of) smoke alarms can be safely disposed of in domestic rubbish. The amount of radioactive material in each smoke alarm is extremely small. From environmental and public health perspectives, the disposal of individual smoke alarms with domestic rubbish does not represent any risk.

When more than ten smoke alarms (or more particularly, the Americium-241 sources) are collected together for bulk disposal, they must be treated as radioactive waste, and the requirements of the National Health and Medical Research Council's Code of Practice for the Near-Surface Disposal of Radioactive Waste in Australia (1992) must be met. Contact your state or territory radiation control authority for advice.

http://www.arpansa.gov.au/radiationprotection/factsheets/is_smokedetector.cfm

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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: Fukushima 50000 Bq/kg Cesium found in Monkey turds Reply #99 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 10:08am Mind that blood pressure, Chimp.
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Reply #100 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 10:23am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:44am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:12am:

Thank you very much, quite easy to do when you've posted zero science content and instead gone with did you know in the 50s that

Did you know in the 50s that people drank faeces? I don't need to produce any actual references, I just need to state that in the 50s thats what they did.

Why do you detest and ignore the direct effects on health and DNA damage of internal radiation exposure?

Do you think that Australia should become the world's nuclear garbage dump site for the worlds toxic nuclear waste? We all know what the Sth Australian Royal Commission into nuclear issues has recently said on this matter, as well as the Great Premier of Sth Australia.

Yes. SA has excellent geology for such a feature.

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Reply #101 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 10:24am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:44am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:12am:

Thank you very much, quite easy to do when you've posted zero science content and instead gone with did you know in the 50s that

Did you know in the 50s that people drank faeces? I don't need to produce any actual references, I just need to state that in the 50s thats what they did.

Why do you detest and ignore the direct effects on health and DNA damage of internal radiation exposure?

I'm more worried about the mental illness of pseudoscidence.

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Reply #102 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 10:26am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:53am:

ARPANSA Lunacy

lets examine the lunacy in the limited Australian Nuclear safety sector. The ARPANSA gang have very interesting advise on how to dispose of small amounts of Am241 - an alpha emitter with a half life of over 400 years. Apparently people should only be concerned if 10 or more detectors need to be disposed of at once. Disposing of less than 10 detectors apparently entails NO RISK AT ALL. Cheesy

Safe disposal of smoke detectors

Individual (or small numbers of) smoke alarms can be safely disposed of in domestic rubbish. The amount of radioactive material in each smoke alarm is extremely small. From environmental and public health perspectives, the disposal of individual smoke alarms with domestic rubbish does not represent any risk.

When more than ten smoke alarms (or more particularly, the Americium-241 sources) are collected together for bulk disposal, they must be treated as radioactive waste, and the requirements of the National Health and Medical Research Council's Code of Practice for the Near-Surface Disposal of Radioactive Waste in Australia (1992) must be met. Contact your state or territory radiation control authority for advice.

http://www.arpansa.gov.au/radiationprotection/factsheets/is_smokedetector.cfm

Dont worry Chimp dont ingest or inhale your smoke detector you should be fine.

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Reply #103 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 10:43am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 10:26am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:53am:

ARPANSA Lunacy

lets examine the lunacy in the limited Australian Nuclear safety sector. The ARPANSA gang have very interesting advise on how to dispose of small amounts of Am241 - an alpha emitter with a half life of over 400 years. Apparently people should only be concerned if 10 or more detectors need to be disposed of at once. Disposing of less than 10 detectors apparently entails NO RISK AT ALL. Cheesy

Safe disposal of smoke detectors

Individual (or small numbers of) smoke alarms can be safely disposed of in domestic rubbish. The amount of radioactive material in each smoke alarm is extremely small. From environmental and public health perspectives, the disposal of individual smoke alarms with domestic rubbish does not represent any risk.

When more than ten smoke alarms (or more particularly, the Americium-241 sources) are collected together for bulk disposal, they must be treated as radioactive waste, and the requirements of the National Health and Medical Research Council's Code of Practice for the Near-Surface Disposal of Radioactive Waste in Australia (1992) must be met. Contact your state or territory radiation control authority for advice.

http://www.arpansa.gov.au/radiationprotection/factsheets/is_smokedetector.cfm

Dont worry Chimp dont ingest or inhale your smoke detector you should be fine.

so according to ARPANSA, disposing of 10 or more smoke detectors at one time, becomes a legal and medical nuclear waste issue to be dealt by authorities.

And yet communities around Australia can dump thousands of smoke detectors collectively into the local municipal rubbish dump.

I am sure that the supremely sealed containers of Am241 will survive 10 to 20 half lifes - what's a mere 4,320 to 8,640 years?

there should not be any leakage into the immediate ground water OR any bio-accumulation in the ecosystem.

Flojack guarantees this for up to 8,000 years

Well done mate.

There are almost 10 million homes in Australia and perhaps even more commercial buildings etc. Although the Am241 content in each smoke detector is small (~0.0002 grams), the cumulative effect of disposal needs to be taken into consideration.

Good luck - humans know everything and know exactly what they are doing - especially if corporate and Banking profits are involved

Well done everybody - well done

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Reply #104 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 11:00am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 10:43am:

And yet communities around Australia can dump thousands of smoke detectors collectively into the local municipal rubbish dump.

I am sure that the supremely sealed containers of Am241 will survive 10 to 20 half lifes - what's a mere 4,320 to 8,640 years?

Chimp, Harvest it and sell it on the black. You could be onto something. (or is that on something?) Huh

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