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Reply #75 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:37am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:35am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:32am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:25am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:20am:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Its interesting to note that the NY Academy of Sciences had to withdraw public access to the Chernobyl report due to several years of political lobbying by the Nuclear power and weapons industry. They cant squash the report, but its a lot more difficult to gain access to it in the public realm.

I would delve into that statement a little a lot deeper. Don't take it at face value.

of course

With your experience in Radiation safety, you would know that there are radionuclides (or their daughter products) that bind directly to the DNA and can cause double strand breaks....

With your experience in biology, you'd also know that our cells have repair mechanisms to fix any breaks or destroy any abnormal cells.

single strand breaks in DNA can be repaired but the more you have the more chance of repair errors.

Perhaps you can describe the mechanism by which double strand breaks are repaired?

Yes there are three mechanisms. Non homologous end join whereby short DNA sequences are used to guide repair, microhomology-mediated end joining (error prone and only used when the other 2 aren't suitable) and homologous recombination (similar to the process in meiosis) where the affected part of the DNA is replaced with normal copy from another chromosome.

ANy other queries?

And you worked in the Nuclear industry and are not aware that there are radionuclides or their second event daughter products that directly bind to DNA?

interesting....lunch time folks

Be careful, you're ingesting radioactive chemicals.

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Reply #76 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:07am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:20am:

of course - just like one takes the official death of Chernobyl to be 47, the fire fighters and staff that died on the night of explosion.

With your experience in Radiation safety, you would know that there are radionuclides (or their daughter products) that bind directly to the DNA and can cause double strand breaks....

Chimp, You are desperately trying to draw me in to this discussion.

All I'm saying is that there is a lot of contaminated information out there. (from both sides). The nuclear industry tends to understate, and the anti-nuclear industry tend to over-inflate. You need to apply some discretion and not just cut and paste anything that you see on the web.

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interesting....lunch time folks

Have a pinch of salt.

My last word on this subject.

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Reply #77 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:00pm

There is a huge difference between eating a few Bananas and receiving a mild hit of K40, which is incidentally a naturally occurring radioisotope that is in equilibrium in our bodies AND being contaminated with Cs137, Sr90 or a Plutonium isotope etc

its all about adding to one's cumulative radiation exposure risk profile

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Reply #78 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:04pm

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:20am:

of course - just like one takes the official death of Chernobyl to be 47, the fire fighters and staff that died on the night of explosion.

With your experience in Radiation safety, you would know that there are radionuclides (or their daughter products) that bind directly to the DNA and can cause double strand breaks....

Chimp, You are desperately trying to draw me in to this discussion.

All I'm saying is that there is a lot of contaminated information out there. (from both sides). The nuclear industry tends to understate, and the anti-nuclear industry tend to over-inflate. You need to apply some discretion and not just cut and paste anything that you see on the web.

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interesting....lunch time folks

Have a pinch of salt.

My last word on this subject.

This thread isnt directed at any particular person on Ozpolitic.

It was an innocuous but important post on a recent finding of Cesium contamination in Monkey turds within the Fuksuhima prefecture.

Iodine salt is good for you - you're right John - especially if you live away from the coastline and/or have an inadequate diet.

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Reply #79 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:07pm

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Beta emitter? Just stick some aluminium foil over your cats litter tray then

Beta and gamma.

Isn't it unwise to put aluminium over anything radioactive since
it causes neutrons to be produced?

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Reply #80 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Beta emitter? Just stick some aluminium foil over your cats litter tray then

Beta and gamma.

Isn't it unwise to put aluminium over anything radioactive since
it causes neutrons to be produced?

We're talking about feline faeces, cat coprolites.
Roll Eyes

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Reply #81 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 8:33pm

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Beta emitter? Just stick some aluminium foil over your cats litter tray then

Beta and gamma.

Isn't it unwise to put aluminium over anything radioactive since
it causes neutrons to be produced?

We're talking about feline faeces, cat coprolites.
Roll Eyes

I said " anything radioactive ".

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Reply #82 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Beta emitter? Just stick some aluminium foil over your cats litter tray then

Beta and gamma.

Isn't it unwise to put aluminium over anything radioactive since
it causes neutrons to be produced?

Depends, if its a beta emitter and you slow it down too much you get x rays. So plastic

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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Re: Fukushima 50000 Bq/kg Cesium found in Monkey turds Reply #83 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:47pm A mate of mine said he's going to Japan next week, to Fukasheila. Is that safe?
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Reply #84 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:51pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Beta emitter? Just stick some aluminium foil over your cats litter tray then

Beta and gamma.

Isn't it unwise to put aluminium over anything radioactive since
it causes neutrons to be produced?

Depends, if its a beta emitter and you slow it down too much you get x rays. So plastic

Yep - covered by plastic & then some steel or lead for shielding.

Aluminium is the wrong material.

John should have known that -
being an expert!

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Reply #85 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Beta emitter? Just stick some aluminium foil over your cats litter tray then

Beta and gamma.

Isn't it unwise to put aluminium over anything radioactive since
it causes neutrons to be produced?

Depends, if its a beta emitter and you slow it down too much you get x rays. So plastic

Yep - covered by plastic & then some steel or lead for shielding.

Aluminium is the wrong material.

John should have known that -
being an expert!

Its only some beta emitters that this occurs for. Others have no issue with aluminium.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Fukushima 50000 Bq/kg Cesium found in Monkey turds Reply #86 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:17pm GordyL wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:47pm: A mate of mine said he's going to Japan next week, to Fukasheila. Is that safe? Dont know, does your wife have any diseases?
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Reply #87 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:34pm

The firefighters who perished at the Chernobyl reactor site on the night of the disaster could not be buried in normal graves at a public cemetery or cremated. They were buried in lead lined and sealed caskets along with their clothes and face masks etc. just outside Moscow. Their carcasses are classified as toxic nuclear waste.

Fukushima should start to clear up in the years 252,000 BC and with respect to Uranium, things should brighten up for the people of Japan by the year 45,000,002,000 BC.

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Reply #89 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:05am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Beta emitter? Just stick some aluminium foil over your cats litter tray then

Beta and gamma.

Isn't it unwise to put aluminium over anything radioactive since
it causes neutrons to be produced?

Depends, if its a beta emitter and you slow it down too much you get x rays. So plastic

Yep - covered by plastic & then some steel or lead for shielding.

Aluminium is the wrong material.

John should have known that -
being an expert!

Put it this way, the cat would be at the vet, and the level of radiation in the faeces is not going to be high enough to get excited over. I'd suggest the vet would minimise exposure time, wearing a face mask and gloves, and just tip the waste into a lead foil bag supplied by the waste contractor for collection.

I don't know specifically what vets have to do, but that would seem reasonable.

I already said that I'm not posting any more on this subject.

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