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Reply #60 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:28am

Marla wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 4:56am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:

Doctors in Japan are instructed not to panic their patients by not telling them they are suffering from radiation sickness etc.

Why should they? The fallout - both literally and metaphorically - of Fukushima will not be known for generations to come. Ignorance is not bliss here for even the effects of Chernobyl remain unknown but the bottom line is no one can really tell.

There are plenty of published articles on the Chernobyl fallout. A good start would be the review report published recently by the NY Academy of Sciences. It sieved through over 5,000 scientific reports and articles carried out in the then Soviet Union and other nations. (especially the nations most affected by Chernobyl fallout and rain-out in Europe like Finland, Sweden, Turkey etc)

There are documented cases of heart disease in children known as Chernobyl heart which has been directly linked to Cesium exposure (Cs is a very active muscle seeker when it enters the human body)

Its interesting to note that the NY Academy of Sciences had to withdraw public access to the Chernobyl report due to several years of political lobbying by the Nuclear power and weapons industry. They cant squash the report, but its a lot more difficult to gain access to it in the public realm.

After all the report estimates that there has been over 980,000 additional deaths attributed directly to the Chernobyl disaster and fallout.

http://www.nyas.org/Publications/Annals/Detail.aspx?cid=f3f3bd16-51ba-4d7b-a086-...

(there is a very good reason why people living in the Northern Hemisphere have twice the chance of getting cancer than the populations living in the Southern hemisphere. The Northern hemisphere is the location of the bulk of the nuclear surface testing, nuclear power stations, waste dumps and U/Pu enrichment facilities. The background radiation levels are twice as high in the Northern hemisphere. One can estimate the additional deaths/cancers per additional mSv exposure over time)

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Reply #61 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:59am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

No dramas. My point is measuring something in counts per second or minute tells you dick because as your distance from a source increases the count drops (inverse square law). Plus it tells you nothing of the biological significance of this result.

Out of interest Chimp logic, whats your background in working with radiation.

Good. It sounds like you might have working knowledge with radiation. Chimp seems to be latching on to interwebz reports indiscriminately. His BS meter is not functioning on this subject.

I'll leave you to discuss this with chimp. I'm just going to bite my tongue for a while.

When it comes to radiation, the headless chook effect often prevails, and I really don't want to get caught up in that nonsense.

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Reply #62 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:01am

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

No dramas. My point is measuring something in counts per second or minute tells you dick because as your distance from a source increases the count drops (inverse square law). Plus it tells you nothing of the biological significance of this result.

Out of interest Chimp logic, whats your background in working with radiation.

Good. It sounds like you might have working knowledge with radiation. Chimp seems to be latching on to interwebz reports indiscriminately. His BS meter is not functioning on this subject.

I'll leave you to discuss this with chimp. I'm just going to bite my tongue for a while.

When it comes to radiation, the headless chook effect often prevails, and I really don't want to get caught up in that nonsense.

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Fukushima 50000 Bq/kg Cesium found in Monkey turds Reply #64 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:07am The main issue with determining radiation exposure health risk is dealing with internal exposure. The main Risk models used are conveniently based on external radiation exposure applied to a healthy 26 year old male weighing about 70kg.
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Reply #65 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:08am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

ARPANSA trained, worked at Lucas Heights in materials science and radiochemistry for nearly 5 years.

Good. I was a radiation safety officer for industrial radiography for 25 years. I still hold the qualification of RSO, but just for Industrial Gauges these days. I won't be updating it.

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Reply #67 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:14am

by the way, to put the 50000 Bq/kg in some sort of context. Because of the food we eat and air we breathe we constantly have an amount of potassium 40 in our bodies throughout our lifetime. We get about 5000 Bq on a continuous basis from the K-40 through our lives.

Or in another way compare it to the curie. The curie is based on the number of disintegrations in 1 gram of radium-226.

1 curie is 37000000000 Bq. Or 740,000 times more than what these monkeys had. The Hiroshima explosion had 8000000000000000000000000 Bq. Or about 13000000000000000000 times more than the monkeys.

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Reply #68 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:16am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Its interesting to note that the NY Academy of Sciences had to withdraw public access to the Chernobyl report due to several years of political lobbying by the Nuclear power and weapons industry. They cant squash the report, but its a lot more difficult to gain access to it in the public realm.

I would delve into that statement a little a lot deeper. Don't take it at face value.

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Reply #69 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:20am

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Its interesting to note that the NY Academy of Sciences had to withdraw public access to the Chernobyl report due to several years of political lobbying by the Nuclear power and weapons industry. They cant squash the report, but its a lot more difficult to gain access to it in the public realm.

I would delve into that statement a little a lot deeper. Don't take it at face value.

of course - just like one takes the official death of Chernobyl to be 47, the fire fighters and staff that died on the night of explosion.

With your experience in Radiation safety, you would know that there are radionuclides (or their daughter products) that bind directly to the DNA and can cause double strand breaks....

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Reply #70 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:22am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:20am:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Its interesting to note that the NY Academy of Sciences had to withdraw public access to the Chernobyl report due to several years of political lobbying by the Nuclear power and weapons industry. They cant squash the report, but its a lot more difficult to gain access to it in the public realm.

I would delve into that statement a little a lot deeper. Don't take it at face value.

of course

With your experience in Radiation safety, you would know that there are radionuclides (or their daughter products) that bind directly to the DNA and can cause double strand breaks....

With your experience in biology, you'd also know that our cells have repair mechanisms to fix any breaks or destroy any abnormal cells.

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Reply #71 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:25am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:20am:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Its interesting to note that the NY Academy of Sciences had to withdraw public access to the Chernobyl report due to several years of political lobbying by the Nuclear power and weapons industry. They cant squash the report, but its a lot more difficult to gain access to it in the public realm.

I would delve into that statement a little a lot deeper. Don't take it at face value.

of course

With your experience in Radiation safety, you would know that there are radionuclides (or their daughter products) that bind directly to the DNA and can cause double strand breaks....

With your experience in biology, you'd also know that our cells have repair mechanisms to fix any breaks or destroy any abnormal cells.

single strand breaks in DNA can be repaired but the more you have the more chance of repair errors.

Perhaps you can describe the mechanism by which double strand breaks are repaired?

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Reply #72 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:32am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:25am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:20am:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Its interesting to note that the NY Academy of Sciences had to withdraw public access to the Chernobyl report due to several years of political lobbying by the Nuclear power and weapons industry. They cant squash the report, but its a lot more difficult to gain access to it in the public realm.

I would delve into that statement a little a lot deeper. Don't take it at face value.

of course

With your experience in Radiation safety, you would know that there are radionuclides (or their daughter products) that bind directly to the DNA and can cause double strand breaks....

With your experience in biology, you'd also know that our cells have repair mechanisms to fix any breaks or destroy any abnormal cells.

single strand breaks in DNA can be repaired but the more you have the more chance of repair errors.

Perhaps you can describe the mechanism by which double strand breaks are repaired?

Yes there are three mechanisms. Non homologous end join whereby short DNA sequences are used to guide repair, microhomology-mediated end joining (error prone and only used when the other 2 aren't suitable) and homologous recombination (similar to the process in meiosis) where the affected part of the DNA is replaced with normal copy from another chromosome.

ANy other queries?

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Reply #73 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:35am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:32am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:25am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:20am:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Its interesting to note that the NY Academy of Sciences had to withdraw public access to the Chernobyl report due to several years of political lobbying by the Nuclear power and weapons industry. They cant squash the report, but its a lot more difficult to gain access to it in the public realm.

I would delve into that statement a little a lot deeper. Don't take it at face value.

of course

With your experience in Radiation safety, you would know that there are radionuclides (or their daughter products) that bind directly to the DNA and can cause double strand breaks....

With your experience in biology, you'd also know that our cells have repair mechanisms to fix any breaks or destroy any abnormal cells.

single strand breaks in DNA can be repaired but the more you have the more chance of repair errors.

Perhaps you can describe the mechanism by which double strand breaks are repaired?

Yes there are three mechanisms. Non homologous end join whereby short DNA sequences are used to guide repair, microhomology-mediated end joining (error prone and only used when the other 2 aren't suitable) and homologous recombination (similar to the process in meiosis) where the affected part of the DNA is replaced with normal copy from another chromosome.

ANy other queries?

And you worked in the Nuclear industry and are not aware that there are radionuclides or their second event daughter products that directly bind to DNA?

interesting....lunch time folks

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Reply #74 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:37am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:35am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:32am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:25am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:20am:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Its interesting to note that the NY Academy of Sciences had to withdraw public access to the Chernobyl report due to several years of political lobbying by the Nuclear power and weapons industry. They cant squash the report, but its a lot more difficult to gain access to it in the public realm.

I would delve into that statement a little a lot deeper. Don't take it at face value.

of course

With your experience in Radiation safety, you would know that there are radionuclides (or their daughter products) that bind directly to the DNA and can cause double strand breaks....

With your experience in biology, you'd also know that our cells have repair mechanisms to fix any breaks or destroy any abnormal cells.

single strand breaks in DNA can be repaired but the more you have the more chance of repair errors.

Perhaps you can describe the mechanism by which double strand breaks are repaired?

Yes there are three mechanisms. Non homologous end join whereby short DNA sequences are used to guide repair, microhomology-mediated end joining (error prone and only used when the other 2 aren't suitable) and homologous recombination (similar to the process in meiosis) where the affected part of the DNA is replaced with normal copy from another chromosome.

ANy other queries?

And you worked in the Nuclear industry and are not aware that there are radionuclides or their second event daughter products that directly bind to DNA?

interesting....

And yet you seem blissfully unaware that our cells have for millions of years the mechanisms to adapt to such damage?

interesting, or blissfully ignorant and delusional.

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