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Reply #45 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 4:53pm
 
Photo of depleted Uranium.

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The "depleted" in "depleted uranium" refers to the fact that the percentage of highly radioactive U-235 in it has been reduced from its naturally occurring concentration, leaving a larger fraction of the less-radioactive U-238 that makes up the vast bulk of natural uranium. But depleted doesn't mean eliminated: In fact the radioactivity of depleted uranium is only about 20% less than that of naturally occurring uranium!

That means this cylinder, though depleted, is still the most radioactive thing I have in my collection. It represent about 140 microCuries of total activity (about 300,000,000 disintegrations per minute). A Geiger counter held up to the side of it will read about 100,000 counts per minute. Fortunately, the radiation from uranium and its decay products is mostly in the form of alpha particles that do not penetrate skin. Holding this cylinder is probably not particularly harmful, though it's not something I do for any longer than necessary to shock people. (There is almost certainly a greater health hazard associated with any uranium oxide that might form on the surface and get onto hands and into lungs from there. For that reason I have put a thick coating of varnish over the cylinder. The main sample photograph was taken before I varnished the cylinder, while the 3D version was made after, and clearly shows the thick, glossy varnish.)


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100,000 cpm is a hell of a lot.
You would normally measure about 40 cpm from natural objects
which means that the metal in the picture
is 2500 times more radioactive than normal matter such as a brick.
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Reply #46 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 5:41pm
 
100,000CPM is high. That's a contact count rate of course. If you measure the count rate 5 cm away, it would be close to background if it's due to alpha particles.
I'm not sure if I'd want an alpha emitter that hot in my house. If its registering 100,000 CPS through the varnish, it must be picking up some other impurity.

The most radioactive sample I have is around 10,000 CPM.  You can pick similar samples off the road side near a certain disused Uranium mine if you know what you're looking for.

Of course Brazil nuts are pretty good too if you just want something that will register.

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Reply #47 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 6:44pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 5:41pm:
100,000CPM is high. That's a contact count rate of course. If you measure the count rate 5 cm away, it would be close to background if it's due to alpha particles.
I'm not sure if I'd want an alpha emitter that hot in my house. If its registering 100,000 CPS through the varnish, it must be picking up some other impurity.

The most radioactive sample I have is around 10,000 CPM.  You can pick similar samples off the road side near a certain disused Uranium mine if you know what you're looking for.

Of course Brazil nuts are pretty good too if you just want something that will register.



Actually - some objects like bricks can measure well over the normal 40 cpm.
They can be as high as 250 cpm -
so can granite counter tops & crystal glass.
100,000 cpm is ridiculous.

Those Brazil nuts don't look safe to eat.
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Reply #48 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 6:48pm
 
Uranium glass?





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Reply #49 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 7:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 5:41pm:
100,000CPM is high. That's a contact count rate of course. If you measure the count rate 5 cm away, it would be close to background if it's due to alpha particles.
I'm not sure if I'd want an alpha emitter that hot in my house. If its registering 100,000 CPS through the varnish, it must be picking up some other impurity.

The most radioactive sample I have is around 10,000 CPM.  You can pick similar samples off the road side near a certain disused Uranium mine if you know what you're looking for.

Of course Brazil nuts are pretty good too if you just want something that will register.



Actually - some objects like bricks can measure well over the normal 40 cpm.
They can be as high as 250 cpm -
so can granite counter tops & crystal glass.
100,000 cpm is ridiculous.

Those Brazil nuts don't look safe to eat.


Don't feed them to your pets. If they eat too much, they will leave little radioactive deposits when you take them outside  Grin

Actually, cats that are treated with radioisotopes excrete quite high activities of radiation. They are treated with a radioactive iodine isotope if they have over active thyroids (a relatively common feline condition).  They usually have to spend about 48 hours at the vet until their poo gets back to acceptable levels.

It's the most radioactive waste that you will get in general society.  I-131 has a half life of 8 days. It's a beta and gamma emitter.
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Reply #50 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 8:02pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 6:48pm:
Uranium glass?



I have some of that. It's very nice. I can't get any reading on my survey meter from it.  It's also called depression glass.
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Reply #51 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 9:12pm
 
In the 1950s companies were promoting radioactive toothpaste - laced with a nice dose of Thorium.

In the 1930s Tho-Radia made a whole product line of perfumes, creams, facial powders, lipsticks that contained thorium-chloride and radium.

The Germans in the 1930s manufactured a radioactive chocolate bar called Radium Shokolade. There were even radioactive cigaretts and radioactive woolen garments.

And my favorite - Nutex Radium Condoms

And of course the ladies that were painting the marks on the clocks and watches so that they glowed in the dark. The ladies often used their tongues and lips to make a very pointy tip on their brushes - many died of various cancers - The Radium Girls

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Reply #52 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 9:32pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 10:38pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
who measures in Bq


well Bq, like Sieverts and Grays is SI units

or do you prefer Roentgens?

Congratulations by the way on contributing to this very important thread theme.

Well done mate



No dramas. My point is measuring something in counts per second or minute tells you dick because as your distance from a source increases the count drops (inverse square law). Plus it tells you nothing of the biological significance of this result.

Out of interest Chimp logic, whats your background in working with radiation.
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Reply #53 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 9:34pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 9:12pm:
In the 1950s companies were promoting radioactive toothpaste - laced with a nice dose of Thorium.

In the 1930s Tho-Radia made a whole product line of perfumes, creams, facial powders, lipsticks that contained thorium-chloride and radium.

The Germans in the 1930s manufactured a radioactive chocolate bar called Radium Shokolade. There were even radioactive cigaretts and radioactive woolen garments.

And my favorite - Nutex Radium Condoms

And of course the ladies that were painting the marks on the clocks and watches so that they glowed in the dark. The ladies often used their tongues and lips to make a very pointy tip on their brushes - many died of various cancers - The Radium Girls

Cheesy



The thorium toothpaste was in the 20s
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Reply #54 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 9:35pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 7:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 5:41pm:
100,000CPM is high. That's a contact count rate of course. If you measure the count rate 5 cm away, it would be close to background if it's due to alpha particles.
I'm not sure if I'd want an alpha emitter that hot in my house. If its registering 100,000 CPS through the varnish, it must be picking up some other impurity.

The most radioactive sample I have is around 10,000 CPM.  You can pick similar samples off the road side near a certain disused Uranium mine if you know what you're looking for.

Of course Brazil nuts are pretty good too if you just want something that will register.



Actually - some objects like bricks can measure well over the normal 40 cpm.
They can be as high as 250 cpm -
so can granite counter tops & crystal glass.
100,000 cpm is ridiculous.

Those Brazil nuts don't look safe to eat.


Don't feed them to your pets. If they eat too much, they will leave little radioactive deposits when you take them outside  Grin

Actually, cats that are treated with radioisotopes excrete quite high activities of radiation. They are treated with a radioactive iodine isotope if they have over active thyroids (a relatively common feline condition).  They usually have to spend about 48 hours at the vet until their poo gets back to acceptable levels.

It's the most radioactive waste that you will get in general society.  I-131 has a half life of 8 days. It's a beta and gamma emitter.




Beta emitter? Just stick some aluminium foil over your cats litter tray then
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Reply #55 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 9:36pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 10:48pm:
I wonder if John knew that Uranium could bind with DNA and cause genetic damage?

There are scientific articles that date back to the 1960s highlighting the direct link between Uranium and damage to the DNA code.

Amazing isnt it John

absolutely amazing



Could you please provide a reference list?
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Reply #56 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 11:58pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 9:34pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 9:12pm:
In the 1950s companies were promoting radioactive toothpaste - laced with a nice dose of Thorium.

In the 1930s Tho-Radia made a whole product line of perfumes, creams, facial powders, lipsticks that contained thorium-chloride and radium.

The Germans in the 1930s manufactured a radioactive chocolate bar called Radium Shokolade. There were even radioactive cigaretts and radioactive woolen garments.

And my favorite - Nutex Radium Condoms

And of course the ladies that were painting the marks on the clocks and watches so that they glowed in the dark. The ladies often used their tongues and lips to make a very pointy tip on their brushes - many died of various cancers - The Radium Girls

Cheesy



The thorium toothpaste was in the 20s


well done
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Reply #57 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 11:59pm
 
There is ample data and research in the scientific literature that supports the notion that Uranium is chemically genotoxic and mutagenic through the formation of strand breaks in the DNA and covalent Uranium–DNA adducts. Radionuclides such as Sr-90 and Uranium bind to DNA and when they decay cause transmutation ionisation and local electron emission ionisation (Auger, β particle). These localisation and transmutation effects were studied as early as the 1960s. Nobody bothered to introduce these findings into safer work place practices and the use and handling of radionuclides such as Uranium - way too sensitive and too much money to be made.

So the depleted Uranium dumped on Iraq and other places via U-tipped munitions and missiles has serious health consequences - not only for those immediately exposed but for future generations via genetic damage and mutations

Humans are very interesting creatures - very interesting and nuts
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Reply #58 - Feb 29th, 2016 at 4:56am
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 5:03pm:
Doctors in Japan are instructed not to panic their patients by not telling them they are suffering from radiation sickness etc.



Why should they? The fallout - both literally and metaphorically - of Fukushima will not be known for generations to come. Ignorance is not bliss here for even the effects of Chernobyl  remain unknown but the bottom line is no one can really tell.

Up the street from me sits Rocky Flats where over 70,000 plutonium triggers were manufactured and even though it has been shut down who knows how much tailings of plutonium remain in the soil and the health effects that it may or may not produce.

That's what's scary about nuclear energy if not the industry itself. Even if isotope decay of plutonium is some 24,000 years that's quite a margin to estimate how much health devastation on a populace it may bring.
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Reply #59 - Feb 29th, 2016 at 8:20am
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 11:59pm:
There is ample data and research in the scientific literature that supports the notion that Uranium is chemically genotoxic and mutagenic through the formation of strand breaks in the DNA and covalent Uranium–DNA adducts. Radionuclides such as Sr-90 and Uranium bind to DNA and when they decay cause transmutation ionisation and local electron emission ionisation (Auger, β particle). These localisation and transmutation effects were studied as early as the 1960s. Nobody bothered to introduce these findings into safer work place practices and the use and handling of radionuclides such as Uranium - way too sensitive and too much money to be made.

So the depleted Uranium dumped on Iraq and other places via U-tipped munitions and missiles has serious health consequences - not only for those immediately exposed but for future generations via genetic damage and mutations

Humans are very interesting creatures - very interesting and nuts


SO could you provide at least one of these studies?
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