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Reply #135 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 5:33am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm:

I'm pro nuclear in so far as, I believe there are valuable medical and scientific uses for radioisotopes and we should have a rational debate about the use of nuclear power in this country without the scare mongering.

That sums me up too, but I'm less enthusiastic about nuclear power in Australia. It will never be allowed to happen. That's the reality of it.

I'm all for rational debate.

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Reply #136 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 5:42am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25pm:

I am all for a Thorium research reactor.

I don't like uranium reactors because they are under 70 atmospheres of pressure -
they are no better than a giant bomb &
they make too much nuclear waste.

Well, we have plenty of Thorium in Australia. There was a flurry of interest a few years ago, but I haven't heard anything recently.

Solar has a lot of potential here.

If there is going to be a nuclear reactor though, I want it to be in my back yard.

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Reply #137 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 11:30am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm:

I'm pro nuclear in so far as, I believe there are valuable medical and scientific uses for radioisotopes and we should have a rational debate about the use of nuclear power in this country without the scare mongering.

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Reply #138 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 11:31am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm:

I'm pro nuclear in so far as, I believe there are valuable medical and scientific uses for radioisotopes and we should have a rational debate about the use of nuclear power in this country without the scare mongering.

I am all for a Thorium research reactor.

I don't like uranium reactors because they are under 70 atmospheres of pressure -
they are no better than a giant bomb &
they make too much nuclear waste.

...what's a thorium research reactor for? Does it work?

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Reply #139 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 11:33am

John_Taverner wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 5:33am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm:

I'm pro nuclear in so far as, I believe there are valuable medical and scientific uses for radioisotopes and we should have a rational debate about the use of nuclear power in this country without the scare mongering.

That sums me up too, but I'm less enthusiastic about nuclear power in Australia. It will never be allowed to happen. That's the reality of it.

I'm all for rational debate.

The rational debate is that the big populations of the world need nuclear power: because they need weapons!

The small nations have been told to stay out of that game including Australia!

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Reply #140 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 12:00pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm:

I'm pro nuclear in so far as, I believe there are valuable medical and scientific uses for radioisotopes and we should have a rational debate about the use of nuclear power in this country without the scare mongering.

I am all for a Thorium research reactor.

I don't like uranium reactors because they are under 70 atmospheres of pressure -
they are no better than a giant bomb &
they make too much nuclear waste.

...what's a thorium research reactor for? Does it work?

See this here is an issue, a person with zero smacking knowledge. Thorium reactors have a larger available fuel supply, produce less waste, and are hard to use in weapon production because they produce bugger all plutonium.

They also dont need to enrich the thorium, and its energy production means one ton of thorium can produce the same energy as 200 tonnes of uranium or 3.5 million tonnes of coal.

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Reply #141 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 2:45pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 12:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm:

I'm pro nuclear in so far as, I believe there are valuable medical and scientific uses for radioisotopes and we should have a rational debate about the use of nuclear power in this country without the scare mongering.

I am all for a Thorium research reactor.

I don't like uranium reactors because they are under 70 atmospheres of pressure -
they are no better than a giant bomb &
they make too much nuclear waste.

...what's a thorium research reactor for? Does it work?

See this here is an issue, a person with zero smacking knowledge. Thorium reactors have a larger available fuel supply, produce less waste, and are hard to use in weapon production because they produce bugger all plutonium.

They also dont need to enrich the thorium, and its energy production means one ton of thorium can produce the same energy as 200 tonnes of uranium or 3.5 million tonnes of coal.

You don't believe in providing sources do ya mate Wink

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Reply #142 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 5:30pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 12:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm:

I'm pro nuclear in so far as, I believe there are valuable medical and scientific uses for radioisotopes and we should have a rational debate about the use of nuclear power in this country without the scare mongering.

I am all for a Thorium research reactor.

I don't like uranium reactors because they are under 70 atmospheres of pressure -
they are no better than a giant bomb &
they make too much nuclear waste.

...what's a thorium research reactor for? Does it work?

See this here is an issue, a person with zero smacking knowledge. Thorium reactors have a larger available fuel supply, produce less waste, and are hard to use in weapon production because they produce bugger all plutonium.

They also dont need to enrich the thorium, and its energy production means one ton of thorium can produce the same energy as 200 tonnes of uranium or 3.5 million tonnes of coal.

Thorium could be the answer to all the world's safe energy needs.
We must do research as the Chinese & Indians are now doing.

I don't expect it to happen in this brainless country.

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Reply #143 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 5:43pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 12:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm:

I'm pro nuclear in so far as, I believe there are valuable medical and scientific uses for radioisotopes and we should have a rational debate about the use of nuclear power in this country without the scare mongering.

I am all for a Thorium research reactor.

I don't like uranium reactors because they are under 70 atmospheres of pressure -
they are no better than a giant bomb &
they make too much nuclear waste.

...what's a thorium research reactor for? Does it work?

See this here is an issue, a person with zero smacking knowledge. Thorium reactors have a larger available fuel supply, produce less waste, and are hard to use in weapon production because they produce bugger all plutonium.

They also dont need to enrich the thorium, and its energy production means one ton of thorium can produce the same energy as 200 tonnes of uranium or 3.5 million tonnes of coal.

with LFTRs, yes, there is a smaller volume of waste, but it is more intensively radioactive. The reactor itself, at the end of its lifetime, will constitute high level waste:

Thorium reactors are not based on a pseudo-self sustaining fission reaction like conventional fissioning reactors reactors.

What are you going to use as a continual neutron source?

Do you know how long it will take to get the Thorium fuel cycle up and running?

The most favoured Thorium reactor design is the the Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR). This reactor is estimated to have a lead time of 40 to 70 years. There are other inferior Thorium reactor systems which could be deployed earlier, but we are still looking at several decades.

List all the nuclear waste products associated with Thorium reactors, their half lifes and the proposed methods of disposal/waste management.

Lets hear what Dr Karamoskos has to say about Thorium reactor technology and commercial vialibility:

Without exception, [thorium reactors] have never been commercially viable, nor do any of the intended new designs even remotely seem to be viable. Like all nuclear power production they rely on extensive taxpayer subsidies; the only difference is that with thorium and other breeder reactors these are of an order of magnitude greater, which is why no government has ever continued their funding.

Well done on opening your mouth without actually doing any background research.

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Reply #144 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 5:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 5:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 12:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm:

I'm pro nuclear in so far as, I believe there are valuable medical and scientific uses for radioisotopes and we should have a rational debate about the use of nuclear power in this country without the scare mongering.

I am all for a Thorium research reactor.

I don't like uranium reactors because they are under 70 atmospheres of pressure -
they are no better than a giant bomb &
they make too much nuclear waste.

...what's a thorium research reactor for? Does it work?

See this here is an issue, a person with zero smacking knowledge. Thorium reactors have a larger available fuel supply, produce less waste, and are hard to use in weapon production because they produce bugger all plutonium.

They also dont need to enrich the thorium, and its energy production means one ton of thorium can produce the same energy as 200 tonnes of uranium or 3.5 million tonnes of coal.

Thorium could be the answer to all the world's safe energy needs.
We must do research as the Chinese & Indians are now doing.

I don't expect it to happen in this brainless country.

Base load solar thermal power plants are now commercially more viable than nuclear and fossil fuel power plants.

In India and Chile, Solar Thermal won major energy contracts purely based on being the cheapest option.

And this in an environment of low Oil prices.

Thorium is a nuclear industry spin furphy.

In Post war America, the nuclear industry was claiming that nuclear power was clean, safe and cheap even though they couldn't insure the operations for public liability and needed government hand outs and guarantees.

The nuclear industry also claimed that electricity would be so cheap from a nuclear power plant that they would be giving it away.

Well done to them het Mr Sir Bobby?

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Reply #146 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 8:10pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Dear Chimp,
Thorium reactors have a promise of safe nuclear power as they can never melt down.
The theoretical reactor uses molten salt & normal 1 atmospheric pressure.
They can also convert nuclear waste into useful energy.

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Nuclear based energy can never be safe Mr Sir Bobby

Thorium reactors, as you say, cannot melt down because the reaction requires a neutron source which can fail or be switched off. Throium reactors produce a more intense waste material than conventional nuclear reactors, albeit at a lower volume.

Its the waste mr Sir Bobby

its the security of any nuclear based reactor or waste dump.

Can you ensure security? What if a plane or deliberate terrorist act targets a nuclear power plant or waste dump?

And just thinking outside the box, I know it can never happen Mr Sir Bobby, but lets entertain a hypothetical scenario involving a nuclear power plant:

Lets imagine for one moment, that a nation constructs a few nuclear reactors right along the shoreline of an earthquake and tsunami prone zone and erects a water barrier of say 5m high with the fore knowledge of 15m tsunamis in the area. Then they locate the diesel back up generators in the basement of the reactor facility and the water pumps almost adjacent to the wave break line.

Imagine, an earth quake happens deep in the ocean and a large tsunami is created Mr Sir Bobby.

Well done to that nation - hey mr Sir Bobby?

Well dones all around - (and I suppose if it occurred in say japan, for example, then it would be apologies all around Mr Sir Bobby)

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Reply #147 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 8:45pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 2:45pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 12:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm:

I'm pro nuclear in so far as, I believe there are valuable medical and scientific uses for radioisotopes and we should have a rational debate about the use of nuclear power in this country without the scare mongering.

I am all for a Thorium research reactor.

I don't like uranium reactors because they are under 70 atmospheres of pressure -
they are no better than a giant bomb &
they make too much nuclear waste.

...what's a thorium research reactor for? Does it work?

See this here is an issue, a person with zero smacking knowledge. Thorium reactors have a larger available fuel supply, produce less waste, and are hard to use in weapon production because they produce bugger all plutonium.

They also dont need to enrich the thorium, and its energy production means one ton of thorium can produce the same energy as 200 tonnes of uranium or 3.5 million tonnes of coal.

You don't believe in providing sources do ya mate Wink

Pot kettle smacking black

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Reply #148 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 8:55pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 8:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Dear Chimp,
Thorium reactors have a promise of safe nuclear power as they can never melt down.
The theoretical reactor uses molten salt & normal 1 atmospheric pressure.
They can also convert nuclear waste into useful energy.

forgiven

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Nuclear based energy can never be safe Mr Sir Bobby

Thorium reactors, as you say, cannot melt down because the reaction requires a neutron source which can fail or be switched off. Throium reactors produce a more intense waste material than conventional nuclear reactors, albeit at a lower volume.

Its the waste mr Sir Bobby

its the security of any nuclear based reactor or waste dump.

Can you ensure security? What if a plane or deliberate terrorist act targets a nuclear power plant or waste dump?

And just thinking outside the box, I know it can never happen Mr Sir Bobby, but lets entertain a hypothetical scenario involving a nuclear power plant:

Lets imagine for one moment, that a nation constructs a few nuclear reactors right along the shoreline of an earthquake and tsunami prone zone and erects a water barrier of say 5m high with the fore knowledge of 15m tsunamis in the area. Then they locate the diesel back up generators in the basement of the reactor facility and the water pumps almost adjacent to the wave break line.

Imagine, an earth quake happens deep in the ocean and a large tsunami is created Mr Sir Bobby.

Well done to that nation - hey mr Sir Bobby?

Well dones all around - (and I suppose if it occurred in say japan, for example, then it would be apologies all around Mr Sir Bobby)

A thorium reactor at Fukushima would have still been safe -

it couldn't have melted down.

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Reply #149 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 9:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 8:55pm:

A thorium reactor at Fukushima would have still been safe -

it couldn't have melted down.

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true, but it is no justification for using nuclear fission when the waste management issues have not been sorted out and the security of facilities cannot be ensure Mr Sir Bobby.

On all counts, nuclear energy falls short - and now there are more sustainable and safer methods of generating excited electrons to pump along copper cables.

Well done Mr Sir Bobby on putting in a big effort mate

Congratulations on your efforts - even though they do generate a high probability of apology requirements and self banishment

keep up the great work and well done mate

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