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Reply #120 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 3:46pm

John_Taverner wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 4:47pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 1:24pm:

Why is thousands of Am241 laced smoke detectors dumped in the local rubbish tip SAFE prudent disposal policy, but if one has 10 faulty smoke detectors that one wishes to dispose of, then the toxic nuclear waste disposal legislation is activated and authorities must be called in from around Australia to handle this Health and Safety issue?

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well done Gojack - well done mate

Am241 is dangerous when outside the smoke detector.

It's crazy to fill rubbish dumps with such toxic waste.

Very low risk. Each smoke detector contains less than 1 micro Curie (μCi or uCi if you're lazy).

See these minerals?

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/uraninite

About 1 gram of uraninite gives you about 4 uCi (3FMT). You can legally send all these samples through the post.

Worried? Why not buy a Geiger counter for your smartphone

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Smart-Geiger-Nuclear-Radiation-Detector-Counter-Test-f...

LOL - you get what you pay for.

* See if you can guess what FMT stands for. It's a new unit of activity.

Yes John, the amount of Am241 is small - about 0.0002 grams per smoke detector.

And yes john, Am241 is an alpha emitter which is relatively safe when outside of the body, and its alpha particles struggling to penetrate the outer layers of skin.

The issue however John, is the possibility of Am241 entering the body via inhalation, absorption or ingestion.

We wouldnt want any Am241 leaching into the ground water at rubbish tips John now would we.

And we certainly dont want bio-accumulation of Am241 in the food chain - and there is plenty of time for that isnt there John, with Am241 possessing a rather lengthy half life of ~450 years.

Can you provide a guarantee that the water, air and food chain will remain safe for 40 odd centuries?

We wouldnt want anything to happen now would we John

well done on responding though John. It takes great courage to defend the nuclear industry

well done mate

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Reply #121 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 3:52pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:24am:

Why were there radionuclides from the Fukushima fallout detected in Greece John - in Northern Greece mate.

The highest figure there is 0.7 Bq L−1. What proportion of background radiation would that be Chimp?

I'll give you multiple choice or phone a friend if you like, but I'll let you have a stab at it first so that you can get into the habit of thinking for yourself.

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Reply #122 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 3:56pm

John_Taverner wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 3:52pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:24am:

Why were there radionuclides from the Fukushima fallout detected in Greece John - in Northern Greece mate.

The highest figure there is 0.7 Bq L−1. What proportion of background radiation would that be Chimp?

I'll give you multiple choice or phone a friend if you like, but I'll let you have a stab at it first so that you can get into the habit of thinking for yourself.

0.7Bq/L? Can I answer that? Its less radioactivity than you would get from a litre of seawater?

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Reply #123 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 4:09pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 3:46pm:

Yes John, the amount of Am241 is small - about 0.0002 grams per smoke detector.

Well done. That's correct. Now what form is is in?

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well done on responding though John. It takes great courage to defend the nuclear industry

well done mate

LOL you great ape. I'm not defending the nuclear industry. I'm defending the integrity of knowledge.

I already said that there are far better choices for Australia than nuclear.

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Reply #124 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 4:32pm

John_Taverner wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 4:09pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 3:46pm:

Yes John, the amount of Am241 is small - about 0.0002 grams per smoke detector.

Well done. That's correct. Now what form is is in?

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well done on responding though John. It takes great courage to defend the nuclear industry

well done mate

LOL you great ape. I'm not defending the nuclear industry. I'm defending the integrity of knowledge.

I already said that there are far better choices for Australia than nuclear.

And yet you dismiss the long term nuclear catastrophe in Japan, even though you are aware of the health hazards and risks of internal radiation exposure.

You are definitely bordering on the edge of having to render a public written apology, even though you have done very well in misleading the good folk of Ozpolitic on this very critical issue

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Reply #127 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 4:50pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 4:32pm:

1. And yet you dismiss the long term nuclear catastrophe in Japan, even though you are aware of the health hazards and risks of internal radiation exposure.

2. You are definitely bordering on the edge of having to render a public written apology, even though you have done very well in misleading the good folk of Ozpolitic on this very critical issue

1. I don't think I did.

2. You definitely owe an apology for actually believing Gundersen, and then quoting him.

You see refuting what Gundersen says is like walking a minefield.

I have no wish to be an apologist for the operating company of Fukushima, but when I see grossly misleading and panic-inducing hysteria from Gundersen , I feel that I need to set the record straight.

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* See if you can guess what FMT stands for. It's a new unit of activity.

One Fukushima Monkey Turd (FMT) is equivalent to 1.3uCi, or slightly more than a domestic smoke detector.

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Reply #128 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 6:03pm

John_Taverner wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 4:47pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 1:24pm:

Why is thousands of Am241 laced smoke detectors dumped in the local rubbish tip SAFE prudent disposal policy, but if one has 10 faulty smoke detectors that one wishes to dispose of, then the toxic nuclear waste disposal legislation is activated and authorities must be called in from around Australia to handle this Health and Safety issue?

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well done Gojack - well done mate

Am241 is dangerous when outside the smoke detector.

It's crazy to fill rubbish dumps with such toxic waste.

Very low risk. Each smoke detector contains less than 1 micro Curie (μCi or uCi if you're lazy).

See these minerals?

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/uraninite

About 1 gram of uraninite gives you about 4 uCi (3FMT). You can legally send all these samples through the post.

Worried? Why not buy a Geiger counter for your smartphone

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Smart-Geiger-Nuclear-Radiation-Detector-Counter-Test-f...

LOL - you get what you pay for.

* See if you can guess what FMT stands for. It's a new unit of activity.

" You can legally send all these samples through the post. "

Can you please show me any law which says that it's OK to receive those rocks in the post?

This one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Uraninite-2205-/172105884312
has 90,000 cpm - that's a lot!

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Reply #129 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 7:04pm

John_Taverner wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 3:52pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:24am:

Why were there radionuclides from the Fukushima fallout detected in Greece John - in Northern Greece mate.

The highest figure there is 0.7 Bq L−1. What proportion of background radiation would that be Chimp?

I'll give you multiple choice or phone a friend if you like, but I'll let you have a stab at it first so that you can get into the habit of thinking for yourself.

And what happens when radionuclides bio-accumulate up the food chain John?

Why are there English farm lands quarantined in 2016 from Chenobyl fallout that occurred 30 years ago?

Why does the flesh and milk in the cattle contain higher levels of Cesium than the pasture John?

So high in fact, that the farmers are not legally permitted to sell their cattle in the Eurozone. They need to transport their cattle to clean pasture or feed them pelletised feed for at least 6 months before the Cs levels drop below acceptable health levels.

In Germany a high percentage of the wild bore hunted also breach the maximum radionuclide health limits. Apparently wind boars like digging up roots and truffles from the forest floor and gorging themselves on these delights.

You have a lot of explaining to do John

Well done on trying to soften the blow of the vast environmental damage that the nuclear power, waste and weapons sectors are responsible

Well done John

Well done

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Reply #130 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 7:17pm

John_Taverner wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:01am:

Well done Chimp,

I'd call that your Ajax post. You should get all the emotive bits together and make it into a laminated poster, which you can pull out every time you get tired of thinking for yourself. You're certainly pulling out all the propaganda you can find regardless of relevance or truth. What happened to those standards you apply ruthlessly against fossil fuel shills?

I can see a certain resemblance to Donald Trump. Very populist, but in the end, "you run out of m0rons".

I just wanted to say well done, Chimp. Well done mate. Wink

Groupthink implies that you never run out of morons: doesn't it?

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Reply #131 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 7:48pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Why are there English farm lands quarantined in 2016 from Chenobyl fallout that occurred 30 years ago?

Is it the same reason rivers and drains can't be cleared unless the spoil is treated as hazardous waste? Silting of the rivers is a big problem in the UK.

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Reply #132 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 8:20pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 7:04pm:

You have a lot of explaining to do John

No. I don't think I do. I don't have a pro-nuclear agenda as I said. I was just asking you to provide context by way of background levels.

You, on the other hand have an obvious agenda.

Instead of doing that, you launched into an Ajax like tirade
of miscellaneous unrelated points that you have gleaned from some unknown source.

Failing to answer direct questions to back up your claims tend to devalue your claims.

Do you believe that your claims should be immune from any cross examination?

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Reply #134 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm:

I'm pro nuclear in so far as, I believe there are valuable medical and scientific uses for radioisotopes and we should have a rational debate about the use of nuclear power in this country without the scare mongering.

I am all for a Thorium research reactor.

I don't like uranium reactors because they are under 70 atmospheres of pressure -
they are no better than a giant bomb &
they make too much nuclear waste.

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