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Reply #30 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:18am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

Yet more double standards?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/malcolm-turnbull-first-day-as-p...

https://mobile.twitter.com/workmanalice/status/643397064777334788

It seems that Abbott isn't the only Liberal leader to like budgy smugglers, but is the only one to be criticised for it.

What a load of crap....I am sure you could find an article in the Australian praising Abbott or some rubbish on Facebook ridiculing Turnbull, no one is beyond criticism but this comparison is bullshit....Abbott is criticised because he was unable to Govern but most of all lied to the public and then tried to deny it!!!

Huh

Same thing I said to dna. Did you even both reading?

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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: Why was Abbott criticised but Turnbull isn't?? Reply #31 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:19am boxy wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:40pm: Politician. Body language. Smarmy bastard. I know what Turnbull is. He's lawyer/accountant/manager. Honestly conservative. Abbott is a wannabe at the pub, pissing in people's pockets. So in other words you're full of crap.
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Reply #32 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:46am

matty wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 12:35am:

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:08pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:31pm:

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matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

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"buddy smugglers" ... is that hard right slang for "hiding the sausage"

No the hard right doesn't engage in that kind of activity, unlike the hard left.

Especially Alan Jones at London beats. He didn't swallow, so it doesn't count.

Were you there? That would explain how you know so much about it.

Matty, these leftards are appalling with their awful smear. Without a doubt, Mr Abbott looks much better in his speedos.

Thank you for coming back, and thank you for raising the important issues.

Before long, Australians everywhere will come to realise what a great prime minister Mr Abbott really was.

In all seriousness, it is a serious issue. Abbott is constantly criticised for things that others are not. The drinking of beer on St Patrick's Day was another example.

it wasn't the drinking of beer, it was the suggestion that all Irish are alcoholics. Which may in part be true for the St Patricks celebration, but nonetheless an elected representative shouldn't say that about an ally. How would you like it if the Irish PM said that Tony was a budgie smuggler wearing m0 r0n? You wouldn't like it - even if it is true.

Where did he suggest that?

You don't even know what he said but feel yourself qualified to raise an opinion on the matter?

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Re: Why was Abbott criticised but Turnbull isn't??
Reply #33 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 12:05pm

Dsir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

matty wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 12:35am:

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:08pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:31pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:08pm:

"buddy smugglers" ... is that hard right slang for "hiding the sausage"

No the hard right doesn't engage in that kind of activity, unlike the hard left.

Especially Alan Jones at London beats. He didn't swallow, so it doesn't count.

Were you there? That would explain how you know so much about it.

Matty, these leftards are appalling with their awful smear. Without a doubt, Mr Abbott looks much better in his speedos.

Thank you for coming back, and thank you for raising the important issues.

Before long, Australians everywhere will come to realise what a great prime minister Mr Abbott really was.

In all seriousness, it is a serious issue. Abbott is constantly criticised for things that others are not. The drinking of beer on St Patrick's Day was another example.

it wasn't the drinking of beer, it was the suggestion that all Irish are alcoholics. Which may in part be true for the St Patricks celebration, but nonetheless an elected representative shouldn't say that about an ally. How would you like it if the Irish PM said that Tony was a budgie smuggler wearing m0 r0n? You wouldn't like it - even if it is true.

Where did he suggest that?

You don't even know what he said but feel yourself qualified to raise an opinion on the matter?

I know what he said, but in my opinion it doesn't mean that he thinks that the Irish are drunks. You're pushing it a bit with that. He was simply joking that the Irish do like to drink. I have quite a bit of Irish background myself (about 25%) and I didn't find it at all offensive. But then I am not a left-wing winger who loves taking offence at anything trivial.

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Re: Why was Abbott criticised but Turnbull isn't??
Reply #34 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 1:43pm

matty wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:18am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

Yet more double standards?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/malcolm-turnbull-first-day-as-p...

https://mobile.twitter.com/workmanalice/status/643397064777334788

It seems that Abbott isn't the only Liberal leader to like budgy smugglers, but is the only one to be criticised for it.

What a load of crap....I am sure you could find an article in the Australian praising Abbott or some rubbish on Facebook ridiculing Turnbull, no one is beyond criticism but this comparison is bullshit....Abbott is criticised because he was unable to Govern but most of all lied to the public and then tried to deny it!!!

Huh

Same thing I said to dna. Did you even both reading?

Deflection over a non issue IMO!!!

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Re: Why was Abbott criticised but Turnbull isn't??
Reply #35 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 1:45pm

Matty wrote....
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I know what he said, but in my opinion it doesn't mean that he thinks that the Irish are drunks. You're pushing it a bit with that. He was simply joking that the Irish do like to drink. I have quite a bit of Irish background myself (about 25%) and I didn't find it at all offensive. But then I am not a left-wing winger who loves taking offence at anything trivial.

Speedos???

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Re: Why was Abbott criticised but Turnbull isn't??
Reply #36 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:40pm

matty wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:08am:

Why was Abbott criticised but Turnbull isn't??

Turnbull gets plenty of criticism. The issue you see may be just that he is playing small target leadership, as long as he does nothing there is little to be critical about.

While this is far from good government it has worked for him to a point.

It is the old idiom that you can do nothing and leave some doubt or do something and prove that you really are a fool.

Why do you think they are seriously looking at a DD before they produce another budget. Fairly obvious that producing a fair acceptable budget is beyond their capability.

Turnbull clearly would like to go to an election without doing anything.

Did you even bother reading what I wrote? It is just about them both wearing speedos but only Abbott being criticised.

I was looking for a deeper meaning ?

Or

No I never read you posts ?

Take your pick.

Maybe I just commented on the topic ?

Truth is that where Abbott made budgies his life style and used them in politically staged photo opps I still have not seen Mal wearing them. (and don't want to).

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Re: Why was Abbott criticised but Turnbull isn't??
Reply #37 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:55pm

matty wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

boxy wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:40pm:

Politician.

Body language.

Smarmy bastard.

I know what Turnbull is. He's lawyer/accountant/manager. Honestly conservative.

Abbott is a wannabe at the pub, pissing in people's pockets.

So in other words you're full of crap.

If it makes you feel better, sure.

But I've watched him operate. The guy is a jackass, who will do anything, if he thinks it will sell. And, unfortunately for him, he has no idea what real people think.

Budgie smugglers arn't cool, unless you're a workout freak.

Eating raw onions, without even bothering to peel them, is idiotic... a second bite indicates that you have a serious problem with admitting when you make an unwise decision.

The guy has no idea about real people. May as well install Credlin as PM.

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Re: Why was Abbott criticised but Turnbull isn't??
Reply #38 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:44pm

boxy wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

ian wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:42pm:

boxy wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

There's a pretty clear difference. Turnbull isn't pretending to be some sort of he-man, sex symbol, douchebag. Abbott, on the other hand, is way impressed by how those budgie smugglers show off his manhood.

You sure he isnt wearing them because everyone else who performs the same sport wears them? You guys seem to have fetish for Abbotts baggage. theres plenty to dislike about Abbott, being an athlete isnt one of them.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that I formed my opinion of the man, based on a single photograph. Not so... just one example of a pattern he, himself (perhaps with the help of some spin doctors), set.

The man was, is an athlete. That didnt stop when he became PM. athletes tend to wear athletic gear. Im not sure where the spin was in regard to this. I dont have any respect for his intellectual capabilities, but to criticise him for wearing speedos when he was swimming is pretty stupid. of course the media is going to print lots of photos of him wearing speedos, thats what the media do, they sensationalise and cater to the cretins who make a big deal out these things instead of the actual issues.

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Re: Why was Abbott criticised but Turnbull isn't??
Reply #39 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:02pm

matty wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 12:05pm:

Dsir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

matty wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 12:35am:

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:08pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:31pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:08pm:

"buddy smugglers" ... is that hard right slang for "hiding the sausage"

No the hard right doesn't engage in that kind of activity, unlike the hard left.

Especially Alan Jones at London beats. He didn't swallow, so it doesn't count.

Were you there? That would explain how you know so much about it.

Matty, these leftards are appalling with their awful smear. Without a doubt, Mr Abbott looks much better in his speedos.

Thank you for coming back, and thank you for raising the important issues.

Before long, Australians everywhere will come to realise what a great prime minister Mr Abbott really was.

In all seriousness, it is a serious issue. Abbott is constantly criticised for things that others are not. The drinking of beer on St Patrick's Day was another example.

it wasn't the drinking of beer, it was the suggestion that all Irish are alcoholics. Which may in part be true for the St Patricks celebration, but nonetheless an elected representative shouldn't say that about an ally. How would you like it if the Irish PM said that Tony was a budgie smuggler wearing m0 r0n? You wouldn't like it - even if it is true.

Where did he suggest that?

You don't even know what he said but feel yourself qualified to raise an opinion on the matter?

I know what he said, but in my opinion it doesn't mean that he thinks that the Irish are drunks. You're pushing it a bit with that. He was simply joking that the Irish do like to drink. I have quite a bit of Irish background myself (about 25%) and I didn't find it at all offensive. But then I am not a left-wing winger who loves taking offence at anything trivial.

What are the other three quarters, Matty? Do you have any Pakistani?

Please explain.

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Re: Why was Abbott criticised but Turnbull isn't??
Reply #40 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:23pm

ian wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

boxy wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

ian wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:42pm:

boxy wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

There's a pretty clear difference. Turnbull isn't pretending to be some sort of he-man, sex symbol, douchebag. Abbott, on the other hand, is way impressed by how those budgie smugglers show off his manhood.

You sure he isnt wearing them because everyone else who performs the same sport wears them? You guys seem to have fetish for Abbotts baggage. theres plenty to dislike about Abbott, being an athlete isnt one of them.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that I formed my opinion of the man, based on a single photograph. Not so... just one example of a pattern he, himself (perhaps with the help of some spin doctors), set.

The man was, is an athlete. That didnt stop when he became PM. athletes tend to wear athletic gear. Im not sure where the spin was in regard to this. I dont have any respect for his intellectual capabilities, but to criticise him for wearing speedos when he was swimming is pretty stupid. of course the media is going to print lots of photos of him wearing speedos, thats what the media do, they sensationalise and cater to the cretins who make a big deal out these things instead of the actual issues.

Dude, seriously. This is Australia, we take the piss out of posers. Any pollie that struts around in swimmers will cop it.

The only difference is that Tony thought he could pull it off with enough bravado. Wrong.

Does wearing speedos mean he's a bad person? No. Making a big deal of it (yeah, don't try and tell me there was no spin doctors involved) shows a lack of awareness, that was obvious in so many other incidents he was involved in.

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Re: Why was Abbott criticised but Turnbull isn't??
Reply #41 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:24pm

ian wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

boxy wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

ian wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:42pm:

boxy wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

There's a pretty clear difference. Turnbull isn't pretending to be some sort of he-man, sex symbol, douchebag. Abbott, on the other hand, is way impressed by how those budgie smugglers show off his manhood.

You sure he isnt wearing them because everyone else who performs the same sport wears them? You guys seem to have fetish for Abbotts baggage. theres plenty to dislike about Abbott, being an athlete isnt one of them.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that I formed my opinion of the man, based on a single photograph. Not so... just one example of a pattern he, himself (perhaps with the help of some spin doctors), set.

The man was, is an athlete. That didnt stop when he became PM. athletes tend to wear athletic gear. Im not sure where the spin was in regard to this. I dont have any respect for his intellectual capabilities, but to criticise him for wearing speedos when he was swimming is pretty stupid. of course the media is going to print lots of photos of him wearing speedos, thats what the media do, they sensationalise and cater to the cretins who make a big deal out these things instead of the actual issues.

Oh, and when he invited the media (Good Weekend, 7.30 and Women's Weekly, to name just three) to take footage and portraits of him in his speedos, he was just letting it all hang out. Right.

The speedo portraits started out as publicity. Believe it or not, Peta Credlin convinced Mr Abbott it would get him the female vote. Mr Abbott liked the image of himself as a "muscular conservative" (his words). His firefighting work fit into this narrative. It was all publicity, along with all the factory visits and safety vests, but Mr Abbott made it work. He's quite affable in person.

I'm not saying Mr Abbott wasn't sporty, I'm saying he and his staff actively packaged this image. They sat him down and asked about any past community work. All MPs do fundraisers. Bush fire brigade? Great - join up, we can use that. Surf lifesaver? Even better.

The trips to Cape York were genuine. Politicians get roped into things, and as a Catholic, Mr Abbott was genuinely interested in Aboriginal social issues - he was interested in people in general.

But all these things were wrapped up and sold to the media by the bullet point. After his initial gaffes as opposition leader, Credlin made sure he dressed up and recited his lines in full. At times, you could see him remembering those lines as he spoke and struggling to fit them into interviews. The selling of Abbott was one of the most planned PR jobs ever. It involved five daily tabloids and a national broadsheet, at least three talkback radio presenters, polling, focus groups, and a platoon of media advisers. Staff from all these organizations had daily meetings and planned the strategy, and it was all overseen by Peta Credlin.

Conservative forces rallied around Mr Abbott like never before. Money was no object. Rupert flew Col Allen out from New York. Alan Jones and Ray Hadley turned the loudspeakers to full volume. Bolt and Divine and Ackerman spared no column inch.

Now, this force feels cheated. In the last days of Mr Abbott, it turned on itself. Rupert Tweated for Credlin's blood. Bolt even blamed - shock horror - Mr Abbott himself. The Abbott dream factory turned into a nightmare.

And Mr Abbott now blames the media.

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Re: Why was Abbott criticised but Turnbull isn't??
Reply #44 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:09pm

boxy wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:23pm:

ian wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

boxy wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

ian wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:42pm:

boxy wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

There's a pretty clear difference. Turnbull isn't pretending to be some sort of he-man, sex symbol, douchebag. Abbott, on the other hand, is way impressed by how those budgie smugglers show off his manhood.

You sure he isnt wearing them because everyone else who performs the same sport wears them? You guys seem to have fetish for Abbotts baggage. theres plenty to dislike about Abbott, being an athlete isnt one of them.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that I formed my opinion of the man, based on a single photograph. Not so... just one example of a pattern he, himself (perhaps with the help of some spin doctors), set.

The man was, is an athlete. That didnt stop when he became PM. athletes tend to wear athletic gear. Im not sure where the spin was in regard to this. I dont have any respect for his intellectual capabilities, but to criticise him for wearing speedos when he was swimming is pretty stupid. of course the media is going to print lots of photos of him wearing speedos, thats what the media do, they sensationalise and cater to the cretins who make a big deal out these things instead of the actual issues.

Dude, seriously. This is Australia, we take the piss out of posers. Any pollie that struts around in swimmers will cop it.

The only difference is that Tony thought he could pull it off with enough bravado. Wrong.

Does wearing speedos mean he's a bad person? No. Making a big deal of it (yeah, don't try and tell me there was no spin doctors involved) shows a lack of awareness, that was obvious in so many other incidents he was involved in.

I cant think of an instance when he was "strutting around in speedos" can you? The only pictures I saw of him in speedos is when he was engaged in some form of exercise, my understanding he is a triathlete, quite a legitimate reason to be wearing speedos. Dude. And of course hes going to try and make a positive image out of it, for the very same reason pollies pose with pictures of their kids or having a beer with the locals. Dude.

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