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Reply #15 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:19am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:29am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

Tony Abbott takes swipe at China in Japan speech, says communist nation does not share Australia's 'values'

A draft copy of a speech Mr Abbott is giving in Tokyo tonight says Japan and Australia have a "special relationship because it's not based simply on shared interests, but also on shared values".

In contrast, Mr Abbott's speech says while Australia's "economy is more closely tied to China's than to any other, it's still an 'interests' partnership rather than a 'values' one"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-26/tony-abbott-lashes-china-for-not-sharing-a...

The id iot is still trying to offend as many foreign countries as possible. Cheesy

In this case, he's spot-on. Besides Russia, no other nation is aggressively claiming territory that is not theirs. China has now moved powerful missiles onto the disputed islands, further militarising them. Even former Ambassador to the US Kim Beazley agreed with Abbott. Just admit it - this thread is all about you and your hatred of Abbott, isn't it Jack_Sh!t.

No he's not .. most people in Australia wouldn't consider Abbott's 'values' as being the same as theirs, let alone China's . They proved when they threw him out for his bullsh1t ideology. The former Ambassador is just that, a former ambassador, Abbott is a govt. minister and his views are in direct contradiction with the government he represents.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: the id iot is still at it Reply #16 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:28am Abbott isn't a minister, he's a backbencher. He can say what he likes.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: the id iot is still at it Reply #17 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:41am China will see it for what it is....It is embarrassing for the Government to have to keep defending itself against Tony Abbott's ramblings....Have China responded yet???
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Reply #18 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:11am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:05am:

Do people really have a problem with him speaking out against China?!

One of the biggest disgraces of the last 20 years for me has been the sickening refusal of successive Australian leaders to speak against China, it's abhorrent regime and their abysmal disdain for human and animal rights.

It is his conduct that is in question. He doesn't understand that he is now a backbencher. Backbenchers are like children - they should be seen and not heard. If the government had 50 other backbenchers all voicing their opinions in public as frequently as Abbott, the government would be highly unstable and would not last long.

Julie Bishop is the Foreign Minister, not Abbott.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: the id iot is still at it Reply #19 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 12:00pm That's crap. Liberal members can voice what opinions they like. Always thus. Only the lickspittles of the ALP have their lips sewn together.
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Reply #20 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:04pm

Vic wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

Do people really have a problem with him speaking out . We have Foreign Ministers, Trade Ministers and a whole bench of politicians for whom this is far more relevant.

And their silence towards China's record and abuses is disgusting. Seriously what do they ever say in criticism of China?

Australia (save Bob Brown to his credit) simply looks the other way because of trade.

I'm all for people standing up.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: the id iot is still at it Reply #21 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:12pm bogarde73 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:28am: Abbott isn't a minister, he's a backbencher. He can say what he likes. He can also be judged for not knowing his place!
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Melanias purse Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101090	Re: the id iot is still at it Reply #22 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:16pm bogarde73 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:28am: Abbott isn't a minister, he's a backbencher. He can say what he likes. How's this for a new rule? Members of political parties can say what they like. I'll remember this the next time a politician answers a question with, "I won't be providing a running commentary on..."
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Melanias purse Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101090	Re: the id iot is still at it Reply #23 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:18pm Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.
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Reply #24 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:31pm

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Neither party have any record to be proud on China.

Howard and Abbott said nothing.
Rudd went further and jovially smiled and spoke to their caucus in Chinese while everyone stood and bowed like grinning monkeys.

All the while the Chinese army cracks down on any protests, shoots praying monks in Tibet in the back and imprisons people who even mention the Tianamen Square massacre.

And people aren't happy someone might speak out?

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Reply #25 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:51pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Neither party have any record to be proud on China.

Howard and Abbott said nothing.
Rudd went further and jovially smiled and spoke to their caucus in Chinese while everyone stood and bowed like grinning monkeys.

All the while the Chinese army cracks down on any protests, shoots praying monks in Tibet in the back and imprisons people who even mention the Tianamen Square massacre.

And people aren't happy someone might speak out?

I completely agree with him. I just don't think it's his role as a member of the government to say it. China see such criticism as government criticism. They don't take this lying down.

If any good could come from a speach like this, fine. But what?

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Reply #26 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:01pm

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Neither party have any record to be proud on China.

Howard and Abbott said nothing.
Rudd went further and jovially smiled and spoke to their caucus in Chinese while everyone stood and bowed like grinning monkeys.

All the while the Chinese army cracks down on any protests, shoots praying monks in Tibet in the back and imprisons people who even mention the Tianamen Square massacre.

And people aren't happy someone might speak out?

I completely agree with him. I just don't think it's his role as a member of the government to say it. China see such criticism as government criticism. They don't take this lying down.

If any good could come from a speach like this, fine. But what?

Exactly. This is just another case of Tones being a diplomatic nightmare.

What an idjut.

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Reply #27 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:07pm

mothra wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:01pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Neither party have any record to be proud on China.

Howard and Abbott said nothing.
Rudd went further and jovially smiled and spoke to their caucus in Chinese while everyone stood and bowed like grinning monkeys.

All the while the Chinese army cracks down on any protests, shoots praying monks in Tibet in the back and imprisons people who even mention the Tianamen Square massacre.

And people aren't happy someone might speak out?

I completely agree with him. I just don't think it's his role as a member of the government to say it. China see such criticism as government criticism. They don't take this lying down.

If any good could come from a speach like this, fine. But what?

Exactly. This is just another case of Tones being a diplomatic nightmare.

What an idjut.

So you're fine for nothing to continue to be said about China's behaviour.
Ok then

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Reply #28 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:10pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:07pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:01pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Neither party have any record to be proud on China.

Howard and Abbott said nothing.
Rudd went further and jovially smiled and spoke to their caucus in Chinese while everyone stood and bowed like grinning monkeys.

All the while the Chinese army cracks down on any protests, shoots praying monks in Tibet in the back and imprisons people who even mention the Tianamen Square massacre.

And people aren't happy someone might speak out?

I completely agree with him. I just don't think it's his role as a member of the government to say it. China see such criticism as government criticism. They don't take this lying down.

If any good could come from a speach like this, fine. But what?

Exactly. This is just another case of Tones being a diplomatic nightmare.

What an idjut.

So you're fine for nothing to continue to be said about China's behaviour.
Ok then

Did i say that?

But do you really think Tones is the right person? And that he said things in the right way?

What do you think will come of it?

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Reply #29 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:11pm

mothra wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:01pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Neither party have any record to be proud on China.

Howard and Abbott said nothing.
Rudd went further and jovially smiled and spoke to their caucus in Chinese while everyone stood and bowed like grinning monkeys.

All the while the Chinese army cracks down on any protests, shoots praying monks in Tibet in the back and imprisons people who even mention the Tianamen Square massacre.

And people aren't happy someone might speak out?

I completely agree with him. I just don't think it's his role as a member of the government to say it. China see such criticism as government criticism. They don't take this lying down.

If any good could come from a speach like this, fine. But what?

Exactly. This is just another case of Tones being a diplomatic nightmare.

What an idjut.

Mr Abbott had his time as PM and president of the Sydney Uni SRC.

Now is his chance to shine.

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