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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #45 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 2:50pm

Is there any correlation between CO2 and temperature?

(1).....On a small time scale
(NO)
, (11,000 years)

Showing from 200 to 11000 years ago, the subsequent graph is based on ice core data, readily visible in files hosted on the servers of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA):GISP 2 and EPICA Dome C

Graph-1

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-histor...

(2).....On a medium time scale YES???, (450,000 years)

(NO)
, It appears so because of the scale we are zoomed out at.

WARNING !
This is the scale that most global warming sites use to scare the unsuspecting.

Over the past few hundred thousand years of ice core data, a “medium” time scale in this sense, CO2 superficially appears to change in step with temperature if a graph is so zoomed out as to not show sub-millennial time
scales well

Graph-2

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-histor...

A record of temperature and atmospheric CO2 over the past 400,000 years is preserved in the Vostok Ice Core and is shown in the figure on the right.

It can be seen that there have been a series of large fluctuations in temperature (the Ice Ages), accompanied by large changes in atmospheric CO2.

It is thought that these large temperature fluctuations are triggered by Milankovitch cycles - variations in the earth's orbit that change the amount of energy from the sun that reaches us.

However, on their own, these cycles are not enough to explain the changes in temperature.

The full explanation seems to be that the small change in temperature caused by the changing orbit are amplified by natural processes on earth. These cause CO2 to be released from the oceans and the biosphere, causing an increased greenhouse effect.

This is described more fully in this article from the New Scientist (see also Shackleton 2000). For more details on the timing of changes in CO2 and temperature, click on the figure.

http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/paleoclimate.htm#100,000years

(3).....On a long time scale
(NO)
, (millions of years)

Graph-3

[url]http://s155.n46.n171.n68.static.myhostcenter.com/WVFossils/Reference_Docs/Geocarb_III-Berner.pdf[/urll]

(4).....Lately

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: A new paper on the "hiatus" Reply #46 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 2:57pm Warming by the end of this century IPCC computer models projected warming……… +2.78° C / Century Observations the last 25 years………………………….. +1.01° C / Century
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: A new paper on the "hiatus" Reply #47 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:03pm IPCC hide the truth with pseudo science.
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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #48 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:17pm

Ajax wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

IPCC hide the truth with pseudo science.

http://i63.tinypic.com/10p2ety.jpg

well done on showing these graphs batman - congratulations.

Very impressive post you crafted.

I am sure you have finally nailed the coffin of climate scientists around the world with this post

excellent stuff - well done

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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #49 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:27pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

Ajax wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

IPCC hide the truth with pseudo science.

http://i63.tinypic.com/10p2ety.jpg

well done on showing these graphs batman - congratulations.

Very impressive post you crafted.

I am sure you have finally nailed the coffin of climate scientists around the world with this post

excellent stuff - well done

That's all you got......!!!!?????

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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: A new paper on the "hiatus" Reply #50 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:27pm John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 2:03pm: Careful. He'll have a hissy fit and start cutting and pasting the same old recycled nonsense that has been discredited time and time again. I predicted it first.
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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #51 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:29pm

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 2:03pm:

Careful. He'll have a hissy fit and start cutting and pasting the same old recycled nonsense that has been discredited time and time again.

I predicted it first.

When you can refute all the above call me.....!!!!

Next we'll look at the sea levels.....!!!

Or will be the glaciers before they disappear in 2035...LMFAO...!!!!

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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: A new paper on the "hiatus" Reply #52 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 5:06pm John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:27pm: John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 2:03pm: Careful. He'll have a hissy fit and start cutting and pasting the same old recycled nonsense that has been discredited time and time again. I predicted it first. Looks like you know this idiot well.
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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #53 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 5:07pm

Ajax wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:29pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 2:03pm:

Careful. He'll have a hissy fit and start cutting and pasting the same old recycled nonsense that has been discredited time and time again.

I predicted it first.

When you can refute all the above call me.....!!!!

Next we'll look at the sea levels.....!!!

Or will be the glaciers before they disappear in 2035...LMFAO...!!!!

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So many farkwits, so little time.

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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #54 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:13am

BTW - Here is the link to the paper and its authors.

'Making sense of the early-2000s warming slowdown

John C. Fyfe, Gerald A. Meehl, Matthew H. England, Michael E. Mann, Benjamin D. Santer, Gregory M. Flato, Ed Hawkins, Nathan P. Gillett, Shang-Ping Xie, Yu Kosaka & Neil C. Swart'

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n3/pdf/nclimate2938.pdf

I'm sure most will know the highlighted names.

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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #55 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:21am

Ajax wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 2:33pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

Ajax wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 10:13am:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

The data from recent years in particular seems to buck that "minimal" assertion. The Cherry Picking season is almost closed.

Professor are you talking about the cheery picked data.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/28/ncdcnceis-karl-and-peterson-refuse-congressional-subpoena-on-flawed-pausebuster-paper/[/url]

Watts Up with that? Scraping the barrel again I see.

Whats Up With That and Jonova two excellent sites that present facts and truth rather than excuses for a pseudo science that just cant get any of its predictions right.

In the old days the scientist would have thrown the baby out with the bath water and started again, that is if the theory and accompanying math didn't match the observations.

These days they keep feeding you guys the same old garbage that has been proven wrong by 25 years of observations.

You guys just lap it up like dogs eating poo.

And you call yourselves educated more like trained monkeys that cant think for themselves.

You do realise long term decreasing rainfall trends are a reality!

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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #56 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 1:43pm

lee wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

BTW - Here is the link to the paper and its authors.

'Making sense of the early-2000s warming slowdown

John C. Fyfe, Gerald A. Meehl, Matthew H. England, Michael E. Mann, Benjamin D. Santer, Gregory M. Flato, Ed Hawkins, Nathan P. Gillett, Shang-Ping Xie, Yu Kosaka & Neil C. Swart'

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n3/pdf/nclimate2938.pdf

I'm sure most will know the highlighted names.

Sorry I'm not gunna buy the paper. How about you post it here, you have obviously read it, hand it over ... ahhhhh, maybe you haven't read it!

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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #57 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 1:45pm

random wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 1:43pm:

lee wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

BTW - Here is the link to the paper and its authors.

'Making sense of the early-2000s warming slowdown

John C. Fyfe, Gerald A. Meehl, Matthew H. England, Michael E. Mann, Benjamin D. Santer, Gregory M. Flato, Ed Hawkins, Nathan P. Gillett, Shang-Ping Xie, Yu Kosaka & Neil C. Swart'

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n3/pdf/nclimate2938.pdf

I'm sure most will know the highlighted names.

Sorry I'm not gunna buy the paper. How about you post it here, you have obviously read it, hand it over ... ahhhhh, maybe you haven't read it!

random takes no prisoners : nice Cheesy

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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #58 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 3:01pm

random wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 1:43pm:

Sorry I'm not gunna buy the paper. How about you post it here, you have obviously read it, hand it over ... ahhhhh, maybe you haven't read it!

The summary from Tollefson was the first story. However try this -

http://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate2938.epdf?referrer_access_token=w39xUlyFTGhLyIPzl2TjtdRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0OqExA1EwYluYLwiaayT9ble9FcNagQ1ss5L1V0KiWd-xzbFQjp8p3e-nUsgU7jNuUykRRWZpgMltUfROWf3xSKeGSSY7TvMiWdaeBCmNzlbQKCodQ3ivWje8eZYAs8Dr1uu8L-i3CHt8f_jYiil5eUIdC5Q1dUYtR5ruZh5YPv9Rt5T0PGmyP-JcH656J17M8%3D&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com

You don't trust Nature? For shame.

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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: A new paper on the "hiatus" Reply #59 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 5:00pm random wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 1:43pm: Sorry I'm not gunna buy the paper. How about you post it here, you have obviously read it, hand it over ... ahhhhh, maybe you haven't read it! He never does.
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