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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #30 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 10:23am
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 12:46pm:
Ajax wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Which is a LIE that has been proven wrong.


Good to see you back to your jovial and upbeat self Batman - those tears you were shedding over the past 3 or 4 years were starting to upset the good folk of Ozpolitic. fantastic to see that Batman smile again mate - well done and congratulations on that achievement. Well done mate.

Doesnt a LIE that has been proven wrong become the truth?

Congratulations mate


You should be ashamed of yourself, I bet you pollute the minds of your students with the Anthropogenic Global Warming Religion.

When it finally gets laid to rest as a pseudo science, imagine what these students will think about you then.
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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #31 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 10:42am
 
lee wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 9:50pm:
CO2, all other things being equal, will tend to increase the temperature.


Ajax wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 9:38am:
No one is disputing that the Earth has been warming, we can all see the data.

And that manmade CO2 is a greenhouse gas that really has a very very small contribution to the greenhouse effect




I am quite gobsmacked by these quotes.
It would seem now that we are only arguing about the DEGREE of human induced global warming.
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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #32 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 10:50am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 10:42am:
lee wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 9:50pm:
CO2, all other things being equal, will tend to increase the temperature.


Ajax wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 9:38am:
No one is disputing that the Earth has been warming, we can all see the data.

And that manmade CO2 is a greenhouse gas that really has a very very small contribution to the greenhouse effect




I am quite gobsmacked by these quotes.
It would seem now that we are only arguing about the DEGREE of human induced global warming.


Is it not enough that people try to control other people.

Now you want to control the natural evolution of this planet by trying to control its temperature.....?????

It aint going to happen, well not yet anyway unless we have a nuclear war....!!!

Watch this and learn something, if you cant be bothered watch it from the 54 minute mark to understand Earth's energy budget.


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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #33 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 12:13pm
 
Ajax wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 10:50am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 10:42am:
lee wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 9:50pm:
CO2, all other things being equal, will tend to increase the temperature.


Ajax wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 9:38am:
No one is disputing that the Earth has been warming, we can all see the data.

And that manmade CO2 is a greenhouse gas that really has a very very small contribution to the greenhouse effect




I am quite gobsmacked by these quotes.
It would seem now that we are only arguing about the DEGREE of human induced global warming.


Is it not enough that people try to control other people.

Now you want to control the natural evolution of this planet by trying to control its temperature.....?????

It aint going to happen, well not yet anyway unless we have a nuclear war....!!!

Watch this and learn something, if you cant be bothered watch it from the 54 minute mark to understand Earth's energy budget.



The same freaking video: again  Grin
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Reply #34 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 1:00pm
 
Murray Salby is a liar and a cheat.  He was sacked in the USA, now he has been sacked in Australia.  But this is the quality of the posts made by some people on this forum.

The 31-page NSF final report 02/20/09* is far more explicit about the financial maneuvers and deception, with details far beyond these examples:


    p.4 'The Subject's fifteen-year-long pattern of deceptive statements to his University and to NSF disguised his participation in entities and activities that existed for the purpose of maximizing his personal financial compensation and shielding the extent of his compensation from discovery or accountability.'

    p.18 'The most egregious act of misconduct is the deficient and likely fraudulent** preparation of the Subject's time and effort reports for Company 2. However, the Subject's actions over a period of years displays a pattern of deception, a lack of integrity, and a persistent and intentional disregard of NSF and University rules and policies.'

    p.21 'the charges based on the reports may also be an unallowable cost in the total amount of $303,281.'

    p.23 'The Subject's focus on his personal financial gain conflicted with accountability and disclosure requirements, both to the University and to NSF. When these conflicts were uncovered during the investigation, the Subject's response was to continue and expand his pattern of deception and obfuscation, and to begin personal attacks on his former colleagues….(fn99) [Redacted] stated in an interview in April 2008 that the Subject blames him for the University and Federal investigation, even though the Subject directed all actions of Company 1 and Company 2, and received the financial benefits of the malfeasance.' From IRS Form 990s, [Redacted] must be Patrick F. Callaghan, Salby's long-time co-author and colleague.
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So many farkwits, so little time.
 
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Reply #35 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 1:40pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 10:42am:
I am quite gobsmacked by these quotes.
It would seem now that we are only arguing about the DEGREE of human induced global warming.



Congratulations. That was all it ever was.

Now go and hypothesise by how much.
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Reply #36 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 1:48pm
 
random wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
The 31-page NSF final report 02/20/09* is far more explicit about the financial maneuvers and deception, with details far beyond these examples:




The National Science Foundation? Whose  "mission is to advance the progress of science"? The organisation that won't fund anything that might find against the AGW/CC meme? Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #37 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 1:48pm
 
random wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 9:52am:
Ajax wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 10:01am:
random wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 9:58am:
That's awsome Ajax.  Read up on the laws of thermodynamics.  Seems there are some basics missing in your physics education.

You are arguing that the rapid change in the air we breath has no effect on the climate.  Surely you jest.

We can pump gigatonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere and ... nothing!!!  No change!

You are either seriously under uneducated OR you are lying to us, for some reason.  Mmmmmm.


I suggest you do a bit more research and you'll see that even though man's emissions of CO2 do contribute to the greenhouse effect they are at best MINIMAL.

Now off you go........... Cheesy


http://crusadingwithkatie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Waiting.jpg

I'm still waiting for some information to back up your claim about MINIMAL.

Please supply some credible sources, ta in advance.




Ajax, you must be really busy and you missed this question from me.  Please answer soon as I really would like to know where you got that statement as is it counter to everything else I have read.

Ta in advance.
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Re: A new paper on the "hiatus"
Reply #38 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 2:01pm
 
Ajax wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 10:13am:
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 9:59am:
The data from recent years in particular seems to buck that "minimal" assertion.  The Cherry Picking season is almost closed.


Professor are you talking about the cheery picked data.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/28/ncdcnceis-karl-and-peterson-refuse-congressional-subpoena-on-flawed-pausebuster-paper/[/url]



Watts Up with that? Scraping the barrel again I see.
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Reply #39 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 2:03pm
 
random wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
Ajax, you must be really busy and you missed this question from me.  Please answer soon as I really would like to know where you got that statement as is it counter to everything else I have read.

Ta in advance.


Careful. He'll have a hissy fit and start cutting and pasting the same old recycled nonsense that has been discredited time and time again.
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Reply #40 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 2:10pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 2:01pm:
Watts Up with that? Scraping the barrel again I see.



You really have a hard time reconciling the fact he is an aggregator of scientific papers, don't you?

Just like Skeptical Science, they have a hard time of it too. And Hotwhopper, Desmogblog.
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Reply #41 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 2:25pm
 
random wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
Murray Salby is a liar and a cheat.  He was sacked in the USA, now he has been sacked in Australia.  But this is the quality of the posts made by some people on this forum.

The 31-page NSF final report 02/20/09* is far more explicit about the financial maneuvers and deception, with details far beyond these examples:


    p.4 'The Subject's fifteen-year-long pattern of deceptive statements to his University and to NSF disguised his participation in entities and activities that existed for the purpose of maximizing his personal financial compensation and shielding the extent of his compensation from discovery or accountability.'

    p.18 'The most egregious act of misconduct is the deficient and likely fraudulent** preparation of the Subject's time and effort reports for Company 2. However, the Subject's actions over a period of years displays a pattern of deception, a lack of integrity, and a persistent and intentional disregard of NSF and University rules and policies.'

    p.21 'the charges based on the reports may also be an unallowable cost in the total amount of $303,281.'

    p.23 'The Subject's focus on his personal financial gain conflicted with accountability and disclosure requirements, both to the University and to NSF. When these conflicts were uncovered during the investigation, the Subject's response was to continue and expand his pattern of deception and obfuscation, and to begin personal attacks on his former colleagues….(fn99) [Redacted] stated in an interview in April 2008 that the Subject blames him for the University and Federal investigation, even though the Subject directed all actions of Company 1 and Company 2, and received the financial benefits of the malfeasance.' From IRS Form 990s, [Redacted] must be Patrick F. Callaghan, Salby's long-time co-author and colleague.


Only a foolish man would condemn another without first having a look at all the evidence, a foolish man with a simple mind, a witch burner at the stake on hearsay and innuendo.

First of all its not Salby's science theory which his accusers are condemning, what does that tell you random....????

Probably like admiral benson nothing, it goes in one ear and out the other LOL..!!




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Salby responds to the attacks on his record


Murry Salby was sacked from Macquarie University, and Macquarie  struggled to explain why, among other things, it was necessary to abandon, and strand him in Paris and hold a “misconduct” meeting in his absence. Since then he has been subject to attacks related to his previous employment. I’ve asked him to respond, which he has at length in a PDF here. The figures listed below refer to that PDF, which encompasses 15 years of events.

I don’t have the resources (unlike the  National Science Foundation, the NSF) to investigate it all, but wanted to give Murry the right of reply. On closer inspection the NSF report used by people to attack Salby does not appear to be the balanced, impartial analysis I would have expected. Indeed the hyperbolic language based on insubstantial evidence is disturbing to say the least. Because of the long detailed nature of this I cannot draw conclusions, except to say that any scientist who responds to a question about Murry Salby’s work with a reference to his employment is no scientist.

Remember the NSF report was supposedly an inhouse private document. It was marked “Confidential”, subject to the Privacy Act, with disclosure outside the NSF prohibited.  In the end, a confidential, low standard, internal document with legalistic sounding words, may have been “leaked” to those in search of a character attack.

My summary of his reply

First and foremost, there is nothing in any of the NSF claims that questions Murry Salby’s scientific research. This is about paperwork and whether bureaucratic procedures have been properly followed, not about his science.

There is another side to the story and a long and complex history regarding Murry Salby’s work at Colorado University (CU). It started way back in 1997 when he noticed funds were going missing from his NSF-funded research group. After requests for their return were ignored, he reported it to the NSF. By 2003 it reached the stage where the NSF launched a criminal investigation into Colorado University for misappropriation of research funds. The investigation stopped when $100,000 was returned to Salby’s group. Salby was unable to find out where half those missing funds had been placed during the time they had been missing. Possibly this did not make him friends at CU.

Later after Salby left CU in 2008 to come to Australia, Colorado University withheld his computer files and work. After requests for those were also ignored, he launched a case from Australia, and won access to everything — CU paid legal costs as well. Curiously, soon after Salby launched that case, the NSF revived a dormant scientific investigation against Murry which went on to make some extremely serious claims — claims that Salby completely disputes (see his full letter here).

Read the rest here

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/08/murry-salby-responds-to-the-attacks-on-his-reco...




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Reply #42 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 2:33pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 2:01pm:
Ajax wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 10:13am:
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 9:59am:
The data from recent years in particular seems to buck that "minimal" assertion.  The Cherry Picking season is almost closed.


Professor are you talking about the cheery picked data.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/28/ncdcnceis-karl-and-peterson-refuse-congressional-subpoena-on-flawed-pausebuster-paper/[/url]



Watts Up with that? Scraping the barrel again I see.


Whats Up With That and Jonova two excellent sites that present facts and truth rather than excuses for a pseudo science that just cant get any of its predictions right.

In the old days the scientist would have thrown the baby out with the bath water and started again, that is if the theory and accompanying math didn't match the observations.

These days they keep feeding you guys the same old garbage that has been proven wrong by 25 years of observations.

You guys just lap it up like dogs eating poo.

And you call yourselves educated more like trained monkeys that cant think for themselves.
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Reply #43 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 2:35pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 2:03pm:
random wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
Ajax, you must be really busy and you missed this question from me.  Please answer soon as I really would like to know where you got that statement as is it counter to everything else I have read.

Ta in advance.


Careful. He'll have a hissy fit and start cutting and pasting the same old recycled nonsense that has been discredited time and time again.


Medieval warm period warmer than today.

Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012




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Reply #44 - Feb 28th, 2016 at 2:44pm
 
September 1957 - arctic decreases by 40%

...

May 1947 - arctic melting

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/22429983?searchTerm=climate%20change&sea...

November 1922 - arctic melting

http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf
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