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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #75 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:05am can you even read?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #76 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:05am flip
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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #77 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:08am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:02am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 7:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 7:52am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 7:40am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 7:35am:

Aussie wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 5:52pm:

Cods, I don't care which Party has Government whether that be the Coalition, Labor, Greens or even PUP. I do not want that Party to have control of the Senate. I like what we have......some people from left field.....ordinary Australians.......in a position that the Government has to convince them (unless the other major Party supports a Government proposal in the Senate) that what they propose is good for the Country.

Why dont we just have people elected fairly and democratically and let the results speak for themselves.

what is unfair and undemocratic about the minors doing deals? the libs do it all the time and you don't whinge.

Over 50% of the population voted against the GST when it was introduced, yet you didn't call it undemocratic when Howard bought it in anyway, did you?. The public voted to bring in an ETS and you supported the libs when they refused to back it didn't you? What happened to democracy then?

It's funny how you use the undemocratic excuse when it suits but forget all about it when push comes to shove

Muir got elected with just 16 first preference votes. Still think that is democratic? By the way, if you wondered how Muir got elected, see the following link...

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/how-did-ricky-muir-...

wrong ... Muir got elected with 16 primary votes and thousands and thousands of preference votes. You can't just ignore them because it suits you. That is how our system works. If people didn't want preferences to go to muir they should have given him their preference.

You're wrong. Open this link and scroll down to ticket Z where Muir is and go across to the far right. You'll note that this is the AEC website for first preference votes in the senate race of 2013, and it shows the total number of first preference votes to Muir was 16. Ergo, I was right, you were wrong.

http://results.aec.gov.au/17496/Website/SenateDivisionFirstPrefsByVoteType-17496...

Of course JS was wrong. That is the default position in any debate.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #78 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:10am mariacostel wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:08am: Of course JS was wrong. That is the default position in any debate. what exactly was wrong? I said Muir got 16 primary votes and Armpit came back and said I was wrong, Muir got 16 votes you're even dumber than he is.
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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #79 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:11am

John Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:08am:

Of course JS was wrong. That is the default position in any debate.

what exactly was wrong? I said Muir got 16 primary votes and Armpit came back and said I was wrong, Muir got 16 votes Cheesy

you're even dumber than he is.

You said primary votes. The 16 votes he got were first preferences. They aren't the same thing, you dope!

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #80 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:58am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:11am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:08am:

Of course JS was wrong. That is the default position in any debate.

what exactly was wrong? I said Muir got 16 primary votes and Armpit came back and said I was wrong, Muir got 16 votes Cheesy

you're even dumber than he is.

You said primary votes. The 16 votes he got were first preferences. They aren't the same thing, you dope!

faarrrk you are stupid.

He got 10 votes, 2 absentee votes, i early pre pol and 3 postal votes making it a total of 16 primary ( or first preference) votes.... your table doesn't show where the preferences come from after that.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #81 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 9:23am

mariacostel wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 7:39am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 4:50pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 4:35pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 1:54pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

oh for crying out loud...

the political retard strikes again... Roll Eyes

Kat's reliable, gotta give her that!

And 100% correct.

.....and 100% in fantasy land as usual Cheesy

Insults don't make me any less correct, either.

NOTHING could ever make you correct.

Except for the fact that I AM correct.

Suck it up.

If you think you are correct then why not put up an actual ARGUMENT instead of just venting you infected spleen?

Make your case or just shut up.

I have.

On numerous occasions.

You were probably too busy trolling, and missed it.

You are incapable of making a considered argument. You just vent your infected spleen and go back to your 4hr/wk job.

Make everyone's day - go and suffer a total existence failure.

Useless LNP troll.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #82 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 10:24am

Kat wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 9:23am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 7:39am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 4:50pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 4:35pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 1:54pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

oh for crying out loud...

the political retard strikes again... Roll Eyes

Kat's reliable, gotta give her that!

And 100% correct.

.....and 100% in fantasy land as usual Cheesy

Insults don't make me any less correct, either.

NOTHING could ever make you correct.

Except for the fact that I AM correct.

Suck it up.

If you think you are correct then why not put up an actual ARGUMENT instead of just venting you infected spleen?

Make your case or just shut up.

I have.

On numerous occasions.

You were probably too busy trolling, and missed it.

You are incapable of making a considered argument. You just vent your infected spleen and go back to your 4hr/wk job.

Make everyone's day - go and suffer a total existence failure.

Useless LNP troll.

More venting of you infected spleen. You lack so much... one of those things you lack is a full-time job.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #83 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 11:42am

John Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:11am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:08am:

Of course JS was wrong. That is the default position in any debate.

what exactly was wrong? I said Muir got 16 primary votes and Armpit came back and said I was wrong, Muir got 16 votes Cheesy

you're even dumber than he is.

You said primary votes. The 16 votes he got were first preferences. They aren't the same thing, you dope!

faarrrk you are stupid.

He got 10 votes, 2 absentee votes, i early pre pol and 3 postal votes making it a total of 16 primary ( or first preference) votes.... your table doesn't show where the preferences come from after that.

So you're saying that the AEC is wrong and you're right? Gawd, what an ego! Grin

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39687 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #84 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 2:00pm Clive has his say. Also confirms that in his view Malcolm is just baby sitting the PMship for Abbott. Link.
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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #85 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 2:48pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:02am:

You're wrong. Open this link and scroll down to ticket Z where Muir is and go across to the far right. You'll note that this is the AEC website for first preference votes in the senate race of 2013, and it shows the total number of first preference votes to Muir was 16. Ergo, I was right, you were wrong.

http://results.aec.gov.au/17496/Website/SenateDivisionFirstPrefsByVoteType-17496...

Epic fail from Armpit!!

He's posted the below-the-line results for ONE SEAT and tried to pretend that it was the results for all votes cast in all 37 seats in Victoria.

Muir actually got 17,083 first-preference votes, including above-the-line votes.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #86 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 2:50pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:11am:

You said primary votes. The 16 votes he got were first preferences. They aren't the same thing, you dope!

The 16 votes that Muir got was below the line votes in the division of Aston. The other 17,067 votes that Muir got were conveniently excluded from the discussion.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #87 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 2:57pm

Bam wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 2:50pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:11am:

You said primary votes. The 16 votes he got were first preferences. They aren't the same thing, you dope!

The 16 votes that Muir got was below the line votes in the division of Aston. The other 17,067 votes that Muir got were conveniently excluded from the discussion.

Ricky votes with Liberals 54% of the time.

The greens vote with liberal 2% and labor 30%.

Of course the Greens voted with liberals to change the voting system to wipe out minor parties.
This will result in Labor having to form a coalition with the Greens in future, we know how well that worked last time for Labor.

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Reply #88 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 3:04pm

Muir got 17,083 primary votes. That is more primary votes (including above the line) than the following candidates, who were also elected to the Senate in Victoria:

S.Ryan (Liberal) - 737
J.Collins (Labor) - 1804

He got fewer primary votes than the following candidates who were not elected:

Group A - D. Nalliah (Rise Up Australia) 30,925
Group F - F. Riley (HMP) 20,030
Group G - A. Fenn (Family First) 51,532
Group O - T. Maloney (ASP) 28,143
Group Y - P. Boon (Animal Justice Party) 25,246
Group AA - J. Assange (Wikileaks) 41,699
Group AC - F. Patten (ASXP) 63,710
Group AM - M. Farrell (DLP) 23,828

Source

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #89 - Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 3:07pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 11:42am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:11am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:08am:

Of course JS was wrong. That is the default position in any debate.

what exactly was wrong? I said Muir got 16 primary votes and Armpit came back and said I was wrong, Muir got 16 votes Cheesy

you're even dumber than he is.

You said primary votes. The 16 votes he got were first preferences. They aren't the same thing, you dope!

faarrrk you are stupid.

He got 10 votes, 2 absentee votes, i early pre pol and 3 postal votes making it a total of 16 primary ( or first preference) votes.... your table doesn't show where the preferences come from after that.

So you're saying that the AEC is wrong and you're right? Gawd, what an ego! Grin

no I am saying you are wrong ..... seriously, learn to read.

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