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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #30 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:17pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

So you're okay with dipsticks like Muir being able to hold the government of the day hostage on less than 0.5% of the primary vote when others secured significantly more votes than him?

Muir has 1/76 of one vote. How does he manage to hold anyone hostage.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #31 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:21pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:32am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am:

It was absolutely ridiculous that arsewipes like Muir could get into the Senate on less than half a percent of the primary vote and hold the government hostage. Lets hope these changes are passed.

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Well Armie, it's like this. If the majors were overflowing with credentialed, honest candidates that represent their constituent's wishes there wouldn't be any Muirs in the first place.

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crocodile Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6683 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #32 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 1:10pm: Abolish compulsory voting Be a good start
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #33 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:40pm Votes are like money, eventually hundreds of ways are found to manipulate them
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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #34 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:49pm

crocodile wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

So you're okay with dipsticks like Muir being able to hold the government of the day hostage on less than 0.5% of the primary vote when others secured significantly more votes than him?

Muir has 1/76 of one vote. How does he manage to hold anyone hostage.

and he still picks up the same paycheck.. Roll Eyes

funny that.

what has he done exactly..to make OZ a better place for us all to live in???....

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #35 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:51pm

Its time wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:19pm:

The senate isnt the problem , the Libs are , hence the poll results , 50 /50 and plummeting for the political anhialation

you should be grateful for the polls they are the only thing that give you lefties HOPE....

look where you were last week and the week before that.. a horrible sight.

at this rate WALLY might be the new PM>.

omg.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #36 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 3:08pm

cods wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:49pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

So you're okay with dipsticks like Muir being able to hold the government of the day hostage on less than 0.5% of the primary vote when others secured significantly more votes than him?

Muir has 1/76 of one vote. How does he manage to hold anyone hostage.

and he still picks up the same paycheck.. Roll Eyes

funny that.

what has he done exactly..to make OZ a better place for us all to live in???....

All senators base pay cheques are the same

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #37 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 3:26pm

crocodile wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

So you're okay with dipsticks like Muir being able to hold the government of the day hostage on less than 0.5% of the primary vote when others secured significantly more votes than him?

Muir has 1/76 of one vote. How does he manage to hold anyone hostage.

A Tasmanian senator's vote is 14 times more powerful than a NSW Senator.....in terms of representation

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #38 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 3:45pm

cods wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:49pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

So you're okay with dipsticks like Muir being able to hold the government of the day hostage on less than 0.5% of the primary vote when others secured significantly more votes than him?

Muir has 1/76 of one vote. How does he manage to hold anyone hostage.

and he still picks up the same paycheck.. Roll Eyes

funny that.

what has he done exactly..to make OZ a better place for us all to live in???....

He's done EXACTLY what he's SUPPOSED to have done - oppose bad legislation and rein-in bad government.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #39 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 3:45pm

Ask yourself ~ who profits from this, electorally. It is the major parties. I do not want a Senate to be controlled by whoever is the Government, and that is what this is about.

I think the last time the Government controlled the Senate was in 2004 under Hayseed, and that was just terrible to experience. Nah, I quite like the current situation. The current Senate has acted sensibly, even though it has not rubber stamped what the Coalition wants.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #40 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 3:48pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 3:45pm:

Ask yourself ~ who profits from this, electorally. It is the major parties.

I do not want a Senate to be controlled by whoever is the Government, and that is what this is about.

I think the last time the Government controlled the Senate was in 2004 under Hayseed, and that was just terrible to experience. Nah, I quite like the current situation. The current Senate has acted sensibly, even though it has not rubber stamped what the Coalition wants.

Nailed. I said the same thing, with the usual predictable responses.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #41 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 4:30pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:45am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am:

It was absolutely ridiculous that arsewipes like Muir could get into the Senate on less than half a percent of the primary vote and hold the government hostage. Lets hope these changes are passed.

It only means that some faceless party person will be elected on a half precent of the vote and be used to subvert the purpose of the senate.

I prefer what we have in preference to a blind rubber stamp with the same vote thanks.

At least what we currently have puts a person in place who can make a merit based decision.

Well that is both silly and unsupportable. Plus, the entire purpose of representative democracy is allowing the voters t\o install senators, not loopholes in a system

I would think that although the system needs to be looked at people would be correct to be cynical about a move to rush through changes that will advantage the major party's in an election year.

Like it or not the current system has consistently produced good results and this move looks like it would weaken the role of the senate.

How do you figure that? Oh of course... if the senate blocks liberal policies then you consider it good. You are beyond transparent. The changes DONT advantage the major parties at all. What it does is require that crossbench senators are actually elected fairly. No party is likely to get a senate majority anymore than they are now.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #42 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 4:33pm

Bam wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:48am:

cods wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:45am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

oh for crying out loud...

the political retard strikes again... Roll Eyes

he would rather see someone with 1% get in than a lib... hes that manic......sad but true..

does it say anywhere where those who are elected simply because they belong to a party..

should remain with the party or get out?....

thats what I dislike about the senate......

once in they can do as they like...and change sides......WRONG.

and we are stuck with them.

people have to have the right to know if they are voting for a party or a person.....

I would say a few of our senators have been elected thanks to the party they once belonged too...

apart from Muir of course.. how we got him I will never know????.......

He got in on preferences deals. Best example yet of why preferences should be abolished.

Preferences should not be abolished. What should be abolished is anything that allows political parties to control the flow of preferences, such as group voting tickets and HTV cards.

Agreed. The concept of preferences is quite fine, but the current rules allow preferences to be traded and moved around so they end up in the lap of just one person eg Muir. That is not right and is the antithesis of what was originally intended. It is hard to imagine anyone in the major parties criticising the changes. Labor should lend support as well.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #43 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 4:35pm

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 1:54pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

oh for crying out loud...

the political retard strikes again... Roll Eyes

Kat's reliable, gotta give her that!

And 100% correct.

.....and 100% in fantasy land as usual Cheesy

Insults don't make me any less correct, either.

NOTHING could ever make you correct.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #44 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 4:39pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 3:45pm:

Ask yourself ~ who profits from this, electorally. It is the major parties. I do not want a Senate to be controlled by whoever is the Government, and that is what this is about.

I think the last time the Government controlled the Senate was in 2004 under Hayseed, and that was just terrible to experience. Nah, I quite like the current situation. The current Senate has acted sensibly, even though it has not rubber stamped what the Coalition wants.

The real problem is that the Senate is meant to be a house of REVIEW, not a house of alternative policies. It is meant to refine and improve, not unilaterally reject legislation. It frequently acts as a house simply to frustrate the policies of the elected government.

The new senate rules do not advantage anyone at all. They do however take away an unfair advantage from the preference-dealers and those who get elected (LDP) by virtue of a similar name to the Liberal party and advantageous ballot positioning. How anyone can complain about something that is inherently fair is beyond Me. Actually, it isn't beyond me at all. I understand fully why drongos like PUP supporters would be opposed - not that PUP will ever be elected ever again.

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