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Government to change Senate voting laws
Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:54am

The Government is confident changes to Senate voting laws will get support, and stop crossbenchers with miniscule votes getting into Parliament.

The Prime Minister announced the news on the same day a new opinion poll showed the major parties were 50/50 with voters.

We are anticipating The Greens will back the government, giving the Coalition the numbers in the Senate to get this legislation through.

Greens Leader Richard Di Natale says it's about democracy and the current system allows "faceless men" and "factional operators" to wield hidden power.

But Senator Di Natale The Greens say they will be looking closely at the detail.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-22/abc-politics-live-blog-february-22/7188348

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28479 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #1 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am It was absolutely ridiculous that arsewipes like Muir could get into the Senate on less than half a percent of the primary vote and hold the government hostage. Lets hope these changes are passed.
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #2 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:05am At first glance, most of the proposals look sensible. I have stated before that ticket voting is undemocratic. One thing that I disagree with - why must voters voting below the line number 90% of the boxes for a valid vote while voters above the line only have to number one?
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #3 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???
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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #4 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31am Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am: What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand??? oh for crying out loud... the political retard strikes again...
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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #5 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:32am Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am: It was absolutely ridiculous that arsewipes like Muir could get into the Senate on less than half a percent of the primary vote and hold the government hostage. Lets hope these changes are passed. x 2
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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #6 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

So you're okay with dipsticks like Muir being able to hold the government of the day hostage on less than 0.5% of the primary vote when others secured significantly more votes than him?

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #7 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

oh for crying out loud...

the political retard strikes again... Roll Eyes

Kat's reliable, gotta give her that!

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #8 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:36am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am:

It was absolutely ridiculous that arsewipes like Muir could get into the Senate on less than half a percent of the primary vote and hold the government hostage. Lets hope these changes are passed.

It only means that some faceless party person will be elected on a half precent of the vote and be used to subvert the purpose of the senate.

I prefer what we have in preference to a blind rubber stamp with the same vote thanks.

At least what we currently have puts a person in place who can make a merit based decision.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #9 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:38am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am:

It was absolutely ridiculous that arsewipes like Muir could get into the Senate on less than half a percent of the primary vote and hold the government hostage. Lets hope these changes are passed.

It only means that some faceless party person will be elected on a half precent of the vote and be used to subvert the purpose of the senate.

I prefer what we have in preference to a blind rubber stamp with the same vote thanks.

At least what we currently have puts a person in place who can make a merit based decision.

No, they won't be. These changes will mean that the exact opposite will occur. The candidate who is the one who garners more votes will be the one who is elected. No more of this farce of people elected on a miniscule number of votes. Oh, and you mention merit. Remember that halfwit Lambie and her threat to block all government legislation unless Abbott gave something specific to her (I can't recall what it was exactly)? That isn't merit - it's spite.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61230 Here Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #10 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:40am Give independent's a position at the top and I would think that a lot of people would place them at number 2 ?
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Reply #11 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:44am

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

A very undemocratic position you hold there. You insist on denying the voters the right to elect a government that is allowed to govern.

We fully understand what you are saying. We just think you are an idiot.

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Reply #12 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:45am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

oh for crying out loud...

the political retard strikes again... Roll Eyes

he would rather see someone with 1% get in than a lib... hes that manic......sad but true..

does it say anywhere where those who are elected simply because they belong to a party..

should remain with the party or get out?....

thats what I dislike about the senate......

once in they can do as they like...and change sides......WRONG.

and we are stuck with them.

people have to have the right to know if they are voting for a party or a person.....

I would say a few of our senators have been elected thanks to the party they once belonged too...

apart from Muir of course.. how we got him I will never know????.......

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #13 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:45am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am:

It was absolutely ridiculous that arsewipes like Muir could get into the Senate on less than half a percent of the primary vote and hold the government hostage. Lets hope these changes are passed.

It only means that some faceless party person will be elected on a half precent of the vote and be used to subvert the purpose of the senate.

I prefer what we have in preference to a blind rubber stamp with the same vote thanks.

At least what we currently have puts a person in place who can make a merit based decision.

Well that is both silly and unsupportable. Plus, the entire purpose of representative democracy is allowing the voters t\o install senators, not loopholes in a system

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #14 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:46am

mariacostel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:44am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

A very undemocratic position you hold there. You insist on denying the voters the right to elect a government that is allowed to govern.

We fully understand what you are saying. We just think you are an nice person.

Kat would rather have the joke that was the Gillard/Brown failed marriage. The kids (taxpayers) were the losers with the aborted child being the ill-fated carbon tax based on a lie.

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