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Re: Brexit odds getting shorter
Reply #45 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 6:42pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2016 at 6:18am:
Boris Johnson's decision to campaign for an exit could have a significant impact on the outcome.
He will be a de facto leader of the Leave campaign and is a persuasive speaker.
I'd say Cameron's chances of winning a Stay vote, already behind in the polls, just got harder.

And maybe his leadership just got a bit rocky as well.

I think EU will do well without the UK; and when Scotland happens to secede from the UK, there will be little to support, "Britania rule".
When will the English people realise that they are not a great power.
When are they are going to  abolish the silly driving rule, of driving on the left, when everyone else drives on the right.
They want a lot of preferences from the other EU countries, which should tell UK to accept, that they are just another EU country and if they don't like it, get out.
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Reply #46 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 8:35pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 3:29pm:
Right, China goes to war and some international court will stop it.

I noticed you didn't comment on the attention paid to Serbia by the court, for doing what it had to do to try and keep militant Islam out of the Balkans. If it wasn't for Clinton we would have seen Melosivic doing us all a favour.
Nor did you address how these putrid courts never touch the scores of African & Middle East monsters.


Misosevic was found guilty of genocide. This was not a political decision, it was one of the most public and transparent trials of the late 20th century.

The Hague does not have international juristiction. Being subject to "these putrid courts" requires a treaty. I think you’ll find Zimbabwe is a signatory to very few global bodies. If you’d like an African multilateral arangement, join the queue.

If I’ve missed something, Bogie, let me know. I’m always here to help.
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Reply #47 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 8:49pm
 
hawil wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 6:42pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2016 at 6:18am:
Boris Johnson's decision to campaign for an exit could have a significant impact on the outcome.
He will be a de facto leader of the Leave campaign and is a persuasive speaker.
I'd say Cameron's chances of winning a Stay vote, already behind in the polls, just got harder.

And maybe his leadership just got a bit rocky as well.

I think EU will do well without the UK; and when Scotland happens to secede from the UK, there will be little to support, "Britania rule".
When will the English people realise that they are not a great power.
When are they are going to  abolish the silly driving rule, of driving on the left, when everyone else drives on the right.
They want a lot of preferences from the other EU countries, which should tell UK to accept, that they are just another EU country and if they don't like it, get out.


The UK has never liked it. The EU is not black and white. Countries negotiate their involvement.

The UK could  pull out and still do some business in the EU, as Scandinavian countries do. Those countries, however, have an agreement with each other. Without the EU, the UK would be going alone. The UK might still do some business, but it would fall way behind the other big European industrial countries. It simply wouldn’t have the markets.

Which side of the road you drive on might sound petty, but car manufacturers on both sides of the Channel must take this into consideration when they make cars, as you do when you drive off the ferry into France (or vice versa).
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Reply #48 - Mar 3rd, 2016 at 7:20am
 
hawil wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 6:42pm:
When are they are going to  abolish the silly driving rule, of driving on the left, when everyone else drives on the right.


Well there's Ireland too, but they have adopted kilometers for speed limits and Euro style road signs.  The only way you know that you're entering the Republic of Ireland is from the speed limits, unless you're walking and can read the small print which is unreadable at 100km/hr.

Then there's Japan, Indonesia, Australia,  NZ, South Africa and a few others.
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Reply #49 - Mar 3rd, 2016 at 11:17am
 
John_Taverner wrote on Mar 3rd, 2016 at 7:20am:
hawil wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 6:42pm:
When are they are going to  abolish the silly driving rule, of driving on the left, when everyone else drives on the right.


Well there's Ireland too, but they have adopted kilometers for speed limits and Euro style road signs.  The only way you know that you're entering the Republic of Ireland is from the speed limits, unless you're walking and can read the small print which is unreadable at 100km/hr.

Then there's Japan, Indonesia, Australia,  NZ, South Africa and a few others.

The countries which you mention that still drive on the left side are not next to the European continent like the UK, where you can be in less than an hour, and then have the steering wheel on the outside of the road.
It is often difficult to pass another vehicle on a narrow road when the steering wheel is on the centre of the road side, it is almost impossible when it is on the outside. Try to drive a left-hand drive vehicle in Australia and see how inconvenient it is.
My post had nothing to do with pettiness, as Karnal implied, just common sense.
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Reply #50 - Mar 3rd, 2016 at 11:19am
 
"I watched pictures of asylum seekers in Calais, fighting authority with rocks and fire - a war of their own making - when they were supposed to be escaping the trauma of the very same.

Asylum seekers slashing wrists rather than jumping on transport to decent shelter because they had not come this close to Britain to end up living in France.

And this dodgy Union of ours, finally admitting half of these asylum seekers are no such thing. They were pleasure seekers, now boarding planes back to Baghdad because Finland is too cold and the weather not so nice.

Many are ruthless desperadoes, willing to throw their wives and kids to the bottom of the Med to have a chance of life where living is easy and family comes with benefits.

And I have stopped listening to Dave and his cronies telling me why paying benefits to foreigners multiplying like rabbits is good for Britain - when future pensioners in my country will work till 81 to pay for it.


"We pay £55 million a day to endure bureaucratic nonsense and external interference in return for trading as one nation.

But things have changed.

Europe has expanded beyond recognition, a hideous second marriage resulting in ugly step-kids who can't stand each other and would rather steal than share.

And even as the Ginger German's own people cheer the arson of another refugee hostel in Germany, and the Right are on the ascendance, Merkel is still compounding the pressures on us all.

She is planning to issue 75 million Turks with EU visas to thank them for their help in stemming the future tide of migrants from Syria.


"Twelve months ago I warned we should send gun boats to The Med to turn back the people traffickers.

I said, "It’s time to get Australian. Bring on the gunships, force migrants back to their shores and burn the boats.

Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad.

I still don’t care"

"As Macedonia rebuilds its fortress frontier, Greece has been amputated, like a gangrenous limb.

Don't ask yourself whether you want to stay in or out of Europe on June 23.

Europe's finished.

Just ask yourself which vote will best defend ourselves from the plague at our door, and how fast".



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Reply #51 - Mar 3rd, 2016 at 11:28am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3rd, 2016 at 11:19am:
"I watched pictures of asylum seekers in Calais, fighting authority with rocks and fire - a war of their own making - when they were supposed to be escaping the trauma of the very same.

Asylum seekers slashing wrists rather than jumping on transport to decent shelter because they had not come this close to Britain to end up living in France.

And this dodgy Union of ours, finally admitting half of these asylum seekers are no such thing. They were pleasure seekers, now boarding planes back to Baghdad because Finland is too cold and the weather not so nice.

Many are ruthless desperadoes, willing to throw their wives and kids to the bottom of the Med to have a chance of life where living is easy and family comes with benefits.

And I have stopped listening to Dave and his cronies telling me why paying benefits to foreigners multiplying like rabbits is good for Britain - when future pensioners in my country will work till 81 to pay for it.


"We pay £55 million a day to endure bureaucratic nonsense and external interference in return for trading as one nation.

But things have changed.

Europe has expanded beyond recognition, a hideous second marriage resulting in ugly step-kids who can't stand each other and would rather steal than share.

And even as the Ginger German's own people cheer the arson of another refugee hostel in Germany, and the Right are on the ascendance, Merkel is still compounding the pressures on us all.

She is planning to issue 75 million Turks with EU visas to thank them for their help in stemming the future tide of migrants from Syria.


"Twelve months ago I warned we should send gun boats to The Med to turn back the people traffickers.

I said, "It’s time to get Australian. Bring on the gunships, force migrants back to their shores and burn the boats.

Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad.

I still don’t care"

"As Macedonia rebuilds its fortress frontier, Greece has been amputated, like a gangrenous limb.

Don't ask yourself whether you want to stay in or out of Europe on June 23.

Europe's finished.

Just ask yourself which vote will best defend ourselves from the plague at our door, and how fast".



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Very brutal post, unfortunately the politicians are failing the people who have elected them, everywhere.
Another problem is the very inequitable distribution of wealth on this planet, and with the modern communication the poor of this planet are becoming aware of it.
Read recently that a car is being displayed at the Geneva exhibition, costing a cool $3.5million, and yet in other places people are starving.
Although the population explosion has to be addressed.
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Reply #52 - Mar 3rd, 2016 at 11:37am
 
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 8:49pm:
hawil wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 6:42pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2016 at 6:18am:
Boris Johnson's decision to campaign for an exit could have a significant impact on the outcome.
He will be a de facto leader of the Leave campaign and is a persuasive speaker.
I'd say Cameron's chances of winning a Stay vote, already behind in the polls, just got harder.

And maybe his leadership just got a bit rocky as well.

I think EU will do well without the UK; and when Scotland happens to secede from the UK, there will be little to support, "Britania rule".
When will the English people realise that they are not a great power.
When are they are going to  abolish the silly driving rule, of driving on the left, when everyone else drives on the right.
They want a lot of preferences from the other EU countries, which should tell UK to accept, that they are just another EU country and if they don't like it, get out.


The UK has never liked it. The EU is not black and white. Countries negotiate their involvement.

The UK could  pull out and still do some business in the EU, as Scandinavian countries do. Those countries, however, have an agreement with each other. Without the EU, the UK would be going alone. The UK might still do some business, but it would fall way behind the other big European industrial countries. It simply wouldn’t have the markets.

Which side of the road you drive on might sound petty, but car manufacturers on both sides of the Channel must take this into consideration when they make cars, as you do when you drive off the ferry into France (or vice versa).


You mentioned Scandinavian countries, if you check you'll find the only Scandinavian country not in the EU is Norway, because they are not prepared to share their enormous oil-wealth with anyone.

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Reply #53 - Mar 3rd, 2016 at 11:42am
 
hawil wrote on Mar 3rd, 2016 at 11:37am:
You mentioned Scandinavian countries, if you check you'll find the only Scandinavian country not in the EU is Norway, because they are not prepared to share their enormous oil-wealth with anyone.


Interesting. I never knew that. At least that's one Western country with a decent set of politcians.
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Reply #54 - Mar 3rd, 2016 at 9:51pm
 
It has come down to cheap threats from the elite:

UK PM David Cameron and French President Francois Hollande will hold talks in the French city of Amiens. Counter-terrorism and conflicts in Libya and Syria are also expected to be on the agenda.

Hours before the meeting, French Finance Minister Emanualle Macron said his country could allow migrants to travel unchecked to the UK if British voters chose to leave the European Union in a June referendum.

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Reply #55 - Mar 4th, 2016 at 4:56am
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 3rd, 2016 at 9:51pm:
It has come down to cheap threats from the elite:

UK PM David Cameron and French President Francois Hollande will hold talks in the French city of Amiens. Counter-terrorism and conflicts in Libya and Syria are also expected to be on the agenda.

Hours before the meeting, French Finance Minister Emanualle Macron said his country could allow migrants to travel unchecked to the UK if British voters chose to leave the European Union in a June referendum.



.... Which all goes to show the real nature of the European Union : A conspiracy of thugs gradually working towards stripping individual nations of their sovereign right to independence - with a view to ruling by fiat and decree from a Central Committee of soviet-style dictatorship ... for the good of preventing wars and famine, but of course ...
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Reply #56 - Mar 4th, 2016 at 6:56am
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 3rd, 2016 at 9:51pm:
It has come down to cheap threats from the elite:

UK PM David Cameron and French President Francois Hollande will hold talks in the French city of Amiens. Counter-terrorism and conflicts in Libya and Syria are also expected to be on the agenda.

Hours before the meeting, French Finance Minister Emanualle Macron said his country could allow migrants to travel unchecked to the UK if British voters chose to leave the European Union in a June referendum.



And the failure Hollande has made the empty threat to take half the City to Europe.
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Reply #57 - Mar 4th, 2016 at 7:19am
 
hawil wrote on Mar 3rd, 2016 at 11:17am:
John_Taverner wrote on Mar 3rd, 2016 at 7:20am:
hawil wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 6:42pm:
When are they are going to  abolish the silly driving rule, of driving on the left, when everyone else drives on the right.


Well there's Ireland too, but they have adopted kilometers for speed limits and Euro style road signs.  The only way you know that you're entering the Republic of Ireland is from the speed limits, unless you're walking and can read the small print which is unreadable at 100km/hr.

Then there's Japan, Indonesia, Australia,  NZ, South Africa and a few others.

The countries which you mention that still drive on the left side are not next to the European continent like the UK, where you can be in less than an hour, and then have the steering wheel on the outside of the road.
It is often difficult to pass another vehicle on a narrow road when the steering wheel is on the centre of the road side, it is almost impossible when it is on the outside. Try to drive a left-hand drive vehicle in Australia and see how inconvenient it is.
My post had nothing to do with pettiness, as Karnal implied, just common sense.


I've got no doubt that it would more practical for the UK. I have driven a right-hand vehicle in Norway so I understand the problems.  Paying road and tunnel tolls was a major nightmare until I acquired a passenger who wanted to tour with me. I was in my early 20s at the time. (fun times)

I was just pointing out that Ireland and a few others were still RHD. 

It's unlikely to change in the UK. They are an insular mob.
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Reply #58 - Mar 4th, 2016 at 7:30am
 
John_Taverner wrote on Mar 4th, 2016 at 7:19am:
 

It's unlikely to change in the UK. They are an insular mob.


You must be joking.

They've been dissolving their national identity hand-over-fist these past few decades.


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Reply #59 - Mar 4th, 2016 at 7:32am
 
Japan also drives on the left. It would be interesting to see why Europe chose the right and the US followed suit. Two way traffic seems to be an urban invention. We mount a horse from the left in any country. It would be inconvenient to walk around into the street to mount. If two horsemen are approaching in a single lane, on what side do they pass each other?
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