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Reply #30 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:54pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:14am:

The war on drugs is working - RIGHT???

If it were, there would be no-one using drugs.

This isn't the case - it's time to look at our policies.

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.

The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well.

The Cato report's author, Greenwald, hews to the first point: that the data shows that decriminalization does not result in increased drug use. Since that is what concerns the public and policymakers most about decriminalization, he says, "that is the central concession that will transform the debate."

It's time to look at other options.

Australia has had a needle exchange program for decades thanks to the socialists, well not so much as an exchange program, than a get a needle and throw the infected needle on the ground after you use it program, from what I hear it is working a treat.

A lot more children are being exposed to HIV than otherwise would have, if it were not for this program.

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Reply #31 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:59pm

One thing I don't agree with is providing "shooting galleries".

I'd rather licensed, commercial operations that source and test product, and provide a setting for users, not just a shed where any old nice person can come and use any old gear. In attaining a license, they assume responsibility for their patrons.

You can't bring your own piss to a pub, so why should you be able to bring your own heroin to a shooting gallery?

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Reply #32 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:30pm

lee wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Bam wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:42am:

Alcohol is legal. Legal drinking age - 18.
Tobacco is legal. Legal smoking age - 18.

Where do you get the idea that kids would be allowed to buy legal drugs if drugs that are already legal cannot be bought by them?

Where do the kids get their alcohol and ciggies? Would it be any different for other drugs?

They can get them now, the problem now is we don't know what's in the drugs or how strong they are. I'd prefer to know if my kid was taking something that it was regulated instead of him snorting Ajax.

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Reply #33 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:48pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:30pm:

They can get them now, the problem now is we don't know what's in the drugs or how strong they are. I'd prefer to know if my kid was taking something that it was regulated instead of him snorting Ajax.

Andi your friendly neighbourhood "chemist" says he can do a good deal, cheaper? Where do you think they will go?

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Reply #34 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:58pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:14am:

The war on drugs is working - RIGHT???

If it were, there would be no-one using drugs.

This isn't the case - it's time to look at our policies.

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.

The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well.

The Cato report's author, Greenwald, hews to the first point: that the data shows that decriminalization does not result in increased drug use. Since that is what concerns the public and policymakers most about decriminalization, he says, "that is the central concession that will transform the debate."

It's time to look at other options.

Australia has had a needle exchange program for decades thanks to the socialists, well not so much as an exchange program, than a get a needle and throw the infected needle on the ground after you use it program, from what I hear it is working a treat.

A lot more children are being exposed to HIV than otherwise would have, if it were not for this program.

And yet HIV due to needlestick injury in this country is extremely rare, so it must be working.

In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #35 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:12pm

It's actually rare everywhere, so I wouldn't be so quick to chalk it up as a success.

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A number of studies have calculated the risk of HIV infection from any single needlestick injury where HIV-contaminated blood is involved is around 0.32%.1 Some studies have also calculated the risk of HIV infection on the basis of person-years, and show a similarly low chance of infection

http://www.aidsmap.com/Risk-of-infection/page/1324549/

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Reply #36 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:21pm

In Australia the incidence of HIV through needles seems pretty static.

'Since reporting began, HIV incidence and prevalence among injecting drug users in Australia has been relatively low compared to many other countries. HIV prevalence among people attending Needle and Syringe Programs in Australia remained around 1% and less than 0.5% among men and women seen at metropolitan sexual health centres who identified themselves as injecting drug users.'

https://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/83AAED699516CE2DC...

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Reply #37 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:31pm

... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

One thing I don't agree with is providing "shooting galleries".

I'd rather licensed, commercial operations that source and test product, and provide a setting for users, not just a shed where any old nice person can come and use any old gear. In attaining a license, they assume responsibility for their patrons.

You can't bring your own piss to a pub, so why should you be able to bring your own heroin to a shooting gallery?

Pubs sell alcohol to earn money. Safe injection facilities are not there to earn money.

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

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Reply #38 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:34pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:37am:

I would almost vote for the greens on this policy alone.

Greenswin - convince me.
It won't take a lot.

Me too, the war on drugs has been well and truly lost, all it is now is a war on people.

yes, it has been a war on poor people for quite some time.

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Reply #39 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:35pm

lee wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:48pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:30pm:

They can get them now, the problem now is we don't know what's in the drugs or how strong they are. I'd prefer to know if my kid was taking something that it was regulated instead of him snorting Ajax.

Andi your friendly neighbourhood "chemist" says he can do a good deal, cheaper? Where do you think they will go?

If they're over 18 I would hope they go to the chemist. No body is saying drugs would be available to minors except the people that lack common sense.
Minors need ID up to the age of 25 to access alcohol and cigarettes OTHER drugs would be no different. Roll Eyes

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #40 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:35pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:36am:

I'm 33, good career - at 21 I was on drugs and lost a friend who o.d. (I've been off them for 12 years!)

I chose to get off them - it wasn't easy and I needed a psychologist and lots of support.

In the end laws didn't deter me - the war on drugs doesn't work.

It has been shown overseas that a different type of policy works.

You can be anti drugs and your own children will try them.

I wouldn't want my kids trying them, however I'm also not stupid enough to put my head in the sand.

Kids will try drugs - whether they are legal or not.

Well done on being ok.
Sorry the legal system did not help you.

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Reply #41 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:37pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:58pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:14am:

The war on drugs is working - RIGHT???

If it were, there would be no-one using drugs.

This isn't the case - it's time to look at our policies.

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.

The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well.

The Cato report's author, Greenwald, hews to the first point: that the data shows that decriminalization does not result in increased drug use. Since that is what concerns the public and policymakers most about decriminalization, he says, "that is the central concession that will transform the debate."

It's time to look at other options.

Australia has had a needle exchange program for decades thanks to the socialists, well not so much as an exchange program, than a get a needle and throw the infected needle on the ground after you use it program, from what I hear it is working a treat.

A lot more children are being exposed to HIV than otherwise would have, if it were not for this program.

And yet HIV due to needlestick injury in this country is extremely rare, so it must be working.

If it is not zero then it is too many, who the fkkk would want HIV from some filthy junkies discarded needle? It is only acceptable to socialist because it happens to someone else's children.

Make it a true exchange if you want one then you better hand one back in, anything else id bullsh1t.

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #42 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:38pm

Bam wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:31pm:

... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

One thing I don't agree with is providing "shooting galleries".

I'd rather licensed, commercial operations that source and test product, and provide a setting for users, not just a shed where any old nice person can come and use any old gear. In attaining a license, they assume responsibility for their patrons.

You can't bring your own piss to a pub, so why should you be able to bring your own heroin to a shooting gallery?

Pubs sell alcohol to earn money. Safe injection facilities are not there to earn money.

Someone is making money off it. Might as well be legit.

In the fullness of time...

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Reply #43 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:38pm

cods wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

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how do we know it isnt working????????????????

because some nice person in parliament thinks so.. what evidence do the greens have??????????

where do they get this information from???..

you are just taking it for granted they know more than you???..... Roll Eyes

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show us the clinical evidence......let ask the experts the men and women who treat the drug addicts..

lets talk to the prison authorities and ask how many return for the same thing...

lets talk to the Ambos who get called out to drug overdoses.....lets see what figures they have....

what is life like in Nimbim?....

are they self sufficient?.....can they take care of themselves???

why not make murder legal we cant stop that either... and jail isnt working?????......

where will we draw the line?..

ask yourself sprint would you be happy if your gra dkids go down this route because its legal??>.

would you be happy to see them drink themselves stoooopid because its legal.? do you really want another battle on your hands.....

and from what I have read this ICE makes people murder people....

is that going to work? Roll Eyes

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how do the greens plan to stop all that happening?.

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..........show us the clinical evidence.........

Turkey, Amsterdam.

The situation with nimbin, police, ambos .......... ALL are where drugs are a criminal offence.
this is all evidence it is a failed system.

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #44 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:42pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

If they're over 18 I would hope they go to the chemist. No body is saying drugs would be available to minors except the people that lack common sense.
Minors need ID up to the age of 25 to access alcohol and cigarettes OTHER drugs would be no different. Roll Eyes

I quite agree. Now as for the retards who give their kids alcohol cigarettes and other drugs; how do you stop it?

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