I can probably tolerate decriminalization of Marijuana, and perhaps Opioids - like heroin.  But I am not really sure or supportive of Ice.

Even a small amount of ice can cause high levels of arousal and chemical euphoria by artificially inflating the serotonin levels in the brain.   That lead short term and long term implications. 
Short term wise, the person can become severely delirious and violent.  Rather than passive and subdued seen in Heroin / Opioid use.   I dont think any self injection room would be properly prepared for that.  And that endangers other uses.   Or worse, in case of a hospital, other non related patients.
Long term wise, its alot easier to get addicted.  And prolonged use causes permanent changes to brain chemistry, leading to secondary psychiatric issues like psychosis and severe depression. 

Of course, this is just mental side of things, we havent even talk about the whole range of physical illness that accompany the drug in question. 

And so far, we do not have an effective detoxification regime, and research in this area is slow.

tickleandrose wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 9:40am:

Yes. You seem  to understand this. Ive even had arguments on here with people who claim you cant get addicted to meth. We can add the complete lack of empathy that this drug causes.

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 10:47am:


Actually I disagree.   You can indeed be addicted to methamphetamine.  It dramatically increases the serotonin level in the brain right after injection, and hence causing a feeling of arousal and euphoria.    And that alters the brain function, meaning two things:
1) More dosage is required to stimulate the same effect (much as same as Opioids).
2) If without, the person will become depressed, shaky, unable to function physically, until a dose of the same med is given.
These two forms the basis of addiction in methamphetamine.  Perhaps, there is not as much medical danger as withdrawing from high dose opioid and alcohol (e.g. seizures, brain damage), but the physical and mental consequences of withdrawal have much more risk of danger to the person and those around them. 

The issue with Meth is that unlike opioids, there are no substitute therapy for methamphetamine at this stage.  There are some research about using ritalin (drug used in ADHD), but that is a long way down the pipeline. 

ian wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 11:37am:


A weekly basis, dear. I work in a crisis centre near Kings Cross.

You?

tickleandrose wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 11:05am:


There are no serious physical consequences to withdrawing from methamphetamines, Tickle. Last time we discussed this, the only physical symptoms people found on Google were sweating and cramps.

You get these symptoms when withdrawing from caffeine.

There are definitely psychological consequences. Ice elevates you. When you come down, it depresses you. What goes up must come down.

Ice is not physically addictive. Most drugs influence brain chemistry - amphetamines, opioids, marijuana, even nicotine.

Alcohol, on the other hand, doesn't. Alcohol effects the liver, which slows down the central nervous system. The above drugs work directly on neurotransmitters.

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 12:02pm:



Honks is keeping a dossier, on all of us.

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 11:50am:
Put it this way, my experience on a daily basis puts your yearly in the shade.

Melanias purse wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 11:59am:
yes, and caffiene is addictive too. But yiou forgot the psychotic rage caused by withdrawal.
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actually long term ice users tend to go into severe psychotic rage  when deprived of the drug, depression is the least of their issues from the viewpoint of someone handling them. Depression is the trigger to keep using.

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ice affects the brain physically, it kills off serotonin producing brain cells, thats the basis of the physical addiction, Ive told you this before.

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lol, @ Professor karnal.  What you dont know about this would fill a book.