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Reply #135 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 9:08pm

I said "We have countries as well as numerous states in the USA where prohibited drugs here are legal"
Sprint has pointed to at least two countries and I have provided evidence of the numerous states if you're too f.... daft to comprehend that get a five year old to explain it to you. Don't bother trolling me again I don't bother repeating my answers to those of a lesser intelligence.

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Reply #136 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 9:10pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 9:08pm:

I said "We have countries as well as numerous states in the USA where prohibited drugs here are legal"
Sprint has pointed to at least two countries and I have provided evidence of the numerous states if you're too f.... Stupid to comprehend that get a five year old to explain it to you.

Good on you and Sprint. What drug

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(plural)?

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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs Reply #137 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 9:52pm The funniest thing of all is that the drug dealers agree with Armchair and co in that drugs should remain illegal
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs Reply #138 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 10:24pm innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 9:52pm: The funniest thing of all is that the drug dealers agree with Armchair and co in that drugs should remain illegal I'm always suspicious of people that are so adamant prohibition is a good idea.
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Reply #139 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 7:46am

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 9:10pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 9:08pm:

I said "We have countries as well as numerous states in the USA where prohibited drugs here are legal"
Sprint has pointed to at least two countries and I have provided evidence of the numerous states if you're too f.... Stupid to comprehend that get a five year old to explain it to you.

Good on you and Sprint. What drug

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(plural)?

Hi Aussie - from memory, The Netherlands has decriminilised heroin.
Portugal has decriminilised almost all drugs.

I could well be wrong. But take it as a starting point.

In holland, the 'appeal' of smack has reduced, new addiction rates are almost 0.
Old addict are given free smack by the govt. So they no longer commit crimes to fund their addiction.
Many of them are now bored with their lives as there is 'nothing to do.'

In Portugal, drug usage is dropping. Harm is reduced.
Courts are not jammed with pot smokers and the like.
It's better for society overall. It's not a complete success in every aspect, but it is an improvement.
Drugs are still restricted and allowable quantities are limited to a few days supply.
Again, I could be wrong, but take it as a starting point.

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Reply #140 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 7:48am

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 10:24pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 9:52pm:

The funniest thing of all is that the drug dealers agree with Armchair and co in that drugs should remain illegal Grin

I'm always suspicious of people that are so adamant prohibition is a good idea.

Yes, lawyers, and judges want to continue to prosecute and make their lucrative wages for easy work.

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Reply #141 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 8:21am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 7:46am:

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 9:10pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 9:08pm:

I said "We have countries as well as numerous states in the USA where prohibited drugs here are legal"
Sprint has pointed to at least two countries and I have provided evidence of the numerous states if you're too f.... Stupid to comprehend that get a five year old to explain it to you.

Good on you and Sprint. What drug

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Hi Aussie - from memory, The Netherlands has decriminilised heroin.
Portugal has decriminilised almost all drugs.

I could well be wrong. But take it as a starting point.

In holland, the 'appeal' of smack has reduced, new addiction rates are almost 0.
Old addict are given free smack by the govt. So they no longer commit crimes to fund their addiction.
Many of them are now bored with their lives as there is 'nothing to do.'

In Portugal, drug usage is dropping. Harm is reduced.
Courts are not jammed with pot smokers and the like.
It's better for society overall. It's not a complete success in every aspect, but it is an improvement.
Drugs are still restricted and allowable quantities are limited to a few days supply.
Again, I could be wrong, but take it as a starting point.

My googling does not confirm your assertions. Apparently, in Holland, possession of heroin has been made legal in very limited circumstances.

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Reply #142 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 8:55am

Drug addicts also have underlying self destructive psychological issues, if we can reroute them to a medical specialist instead of a drug dealer to get their fix these issues can be tackled.
Currently the bikies do not provide counselling services to addicts, they do however try to push more drugs on to the user and get the user to push more drugs onto others thereby creating even more addicts.

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Reply #143 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

Cods - sorry, it was not Turkey, it is Portugal.

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.........Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use, according to Transform.

There has also been a decline in the percentage of the population who have ever used a drug and then continue to do so:..........

.........HIV infection rates among injecting drug users have been reduced at a steady pace, and has become a more manageable problem in the context of other countries with high rates, as can be seen in this chart from a 2014 report by the European Monitoring Center for Drugs and Drug .......................

http://images.mic.com/trly2yvtiwi9uz5ixabemtimx0minsihj37j0myrmcem33y6xstz1y7fxo...

http://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-...

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Reply #144 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

In holland ..........

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..........In practice, this means that addicts are allowed to inject or smoke heroin three times a day in a solemn, no frills room in a building run by municipal health services.

Combined with a specified care program, it has been responsible for almost the complete disappearance of heroin addicts from public view.

In the United States, heroin is on the rise like it's 1983, while an ever-shrinking group of Dutch addicts is only getting smaller and older.

In a 2002 study, there were an estimated 25,000 addicts in the Netherlands (out of a population of more than 10 million), but only about 2,000 were considered hardcore addicts, according to the Central Committee on the Treatment of Heroin Addicts.

Heroin use under the age of 40 is practically non-existent, according to Amsterdam's health services........

..............Criminal behavior among the group has plunged since the start of the program......

...........Crime has plunged in neighborhoods where heroin use was endemic. Users have less trouble with the law, and their lives have stabilized and improved. ...........

https://news.vice.com/article/only-in-the-netherlands-do-addicts-complain-about-...

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #145 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:58am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

Cods - sorry, it was not Turkey, it is Portugal.

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.........Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use, according to Transform.

There has also been a decline in the percentage of the population who have ever used a drug and then continue to do so:..........

.........HIV infection rates among injecting drug users have been reduced at a steady pace, and has become a more manageable problem in the context of other countries with high rates, as can be seen in this chart from a 2014 report by the European Monitoring Center for Drugs and Drug .......................

http://images.mic.com/trly2yvtiwi9uz5ixabemtimx0minsihj37j0myrmcem33y6xstz1y7fxo...

http://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-...

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41302 Gender:	Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs Reply #146 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:00am Portugal http://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-...
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Reply #147 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:02am

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 8:55am:

Drug addicts also have underlying self destructive psychological issues, if we can reroute them to a medical specialist instead of a drug dealer to get their fix these issues can be tackled.
Currently the bikies do not provide counselling services to addicts, they do however try to push more drugs on to the user and get the user to push more drugs onto others thereby creating even more addicts.

Also often your friendly neighbourhood drug dealer does not have your drug of choice. If your drug of choice is just weed and your supplier has none but they do have speed or ice it's all too easy to move onto new drugs.
Removing the criminal aspect will also reduce the people that try new drugs.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39694 Gender:	Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs Reply #148 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:03am Neither Portugal nor Holland have legalised drugs. They are put in place controls which appear to be working for the addicts, at least to the extent, they are no longer seen on streets.
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Reply #149 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:07am

Aussie wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:03am:

Neither Portugal nor Holland have legalised drugs. They are put in place controls which appear to be working for the addicts, at least to the extent, they are no longer seen on streets.

Isn't weed a drug? I agree it shouldn't be but under Australian law it is. It's also perfectly legal in numerous states of the good old USA.

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