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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #120 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:23pm

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:15am:

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:46am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 5:20am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

And meth heads will quietly sit around without feeling rage or paranoia, junkies will not break in a steal your stuff, all of them will

immediately become law abiding functional human beings

. It will be amazing.

Not a lot will change will occur, as junkies will still commit crimes to feed their habit, unless of course the decriminalisation extends to all the crimes a person commits while being a fine standing member of our community, who just happens to focus on a single destructive activity.

Getting arrested for being a filthy scumbag junkie is NOT the core of the problem.

Actually, the vast majority of recreational cannabis users ARE functional and law-abiding.

And no, they aren't junkies.

No such thing as "recreational cannabis users" for the same reason as there's no "recreational ice users" - IT'S ILLEGAL, DUMBAZZ!!! Roll Eyes

Grow up, eejit!

There is NO comparison between the two.

Users of marijuana are prone to hallucinations, panic attacks, separation from reality, memory problems, the loss of ability to think clearly and the inability for coordinated movement and other psychiatric episodes and the use of marijuana is illegal. Users of ice are prone to hallucinations (e.g. a belief that creatures are under the skin that has lead some users to scratch/cut swathes of skin from their body), episodes of extreme violence and exhibit abnormal levels of strength and the use of ice is illegal. Ice use also leads to physical changes, particularly in the skin and face, with lesions and loss of colour. Also, the "come down" from the ice high can be brutal with users developing feelings of depression and a desire to commit acts of self-harm. You don't know what you're talking about Kat, so stay out of this conversation.

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #121 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 2:23pm

As someone who has studied drugs extensively through scientific literature, it is clearly you and the other prohibitionists who do not know what you are talking about.

Here is a photo of a book sitting right in front of me at this very moment.

Please all you prohibitionists, show us your detailed knowledge on the subject.

All drugs need to be decriminalized, it's a health issue, not a criminal issue, drugs need to then be legalized based on harm mean score.

The idea that people can't do drugs reactionationally is utterly absurd, is everyone who has ever touched alcohol (a highly chemically addictive substance on the same level of addictive properties as Ice and Heroin) an addict? Marijuana and many other drugs are not chemically addictive, Marijuana doesn't even make people violent. "Prone to psychosis" generally means you may have a bad trip which results in ANXIETY attacks, not violent psychotic attacks.

The fact is, the War on Drugs is the biggest policy failure the world has ever seen and Weed will be fully legalized across the western world likely within the next decade with MDMA to follow suite.

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #122 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 4:03pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:23pm:

Users of marijuana are prone to hallucinations, panic attacks, separation from reality, memory problems, the loss of ability to think clearly and the inability for coordinated movement and other psychiatric episodes and the use of marijuana is illegal. Users of ice are prone to hallucinations (e.g. a belief that creatures are under the skin that has lead some users to scratch/cut swathes of skin from their body), episodes of extreme violence and exhibit abnormal levels of strength and the use of ice is illegal. Ice use also leads to physical changes, particularly in the skin and face, with lesions and loss of colour. Also, the "come down" from the ice high can be brutal with users developing feelings of depression and a desire to commit acts of self-harm.

Link?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:23pm:

You don't know what you're talking about Kat, so stay out of this conversation.

That's never stopped you before.

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #123 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 4:14pm

Kiron22 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 2:23pm:

All drugs need to be decriminalized, it's a health issue, not a criminal issue, drugs need to then be legalized based on harm mean score.

"Legalising" is a broad statement. What would be your model for legalisation? On prescription? Over the counter from a chemist? What age restrictions would you have? How do you address the legal liability issues? How would the rules differ for different drugs?

Saying "we should legalise drugs" is fine, but without some detail on how it would work it's not easy to say if it would be a good idea or not.

Kiron22 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 2:23pm:

The idea that people can't do drugs reactionationally is utterly absurd, is everyone who has ever touched alcohol (a highly chemically addictive substance on the same level of addictive properties as Ice and Heroin) an addict? Marijuana and many other drugs are not chemically addictive, Marijuana doesn't even make people violent. "Prone to psychosis" generally means you may have a bad trip which results in ANXIETY attacks, not violent psychotic attacks.

Is it possible that these "bad trips" or other adverse affects occur because a particular batch of the drug had contaminants?

Kiron22 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 2:23pm:

The fact is, the War on Drugs is the biggest policy failure the world has ever seen and Weed will be fully legalized across the western world likely within the next decade with MDMA to follow suite.

I think that's an optimistic timescale. But it is encouraging that cannabis is coming in from the cold as a therapeutic agent in Australia. It's got a lot of medically interesting chemicals in it, the most important being Cannabidiol. Most recreational drugs are actually failed attempts at creating medicines - heroin and MDMA are just two examples.

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Reply #125 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:55pm

One thing that is often overlooked by the anti decriminalisation crowd is the fact that currently illegal drugs are very highly marketed in todays society, it is in the dealers best interest to "push" drugs onto people in order to get new customers, they have a very effective marketing strategy for two reasons, one is for profits but in most cases addicts become dealers and promoters of drugs to support their own habit.

Under decriminalisation their will be no more marketing of illegal drugs for sale, in the same way that there is no more advertising for cigarettes.

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #126 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:43pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:23pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:15am:

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:46am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 5:20am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

And meth heads will quietly sit around without feeling rage or paranoia, junkies will not break in a steal your stuff, all of them will

immediately become law abiding functional human beings

. It will be amazing.

Not a lot will change will occur, as junkies will still commit crimes to feed their habit, unless of course the decriminalisation extends to all the crimes a person commits while being a fine standing member of our community, who just happens to focus on a single destructive activity.

Getting arrested for being a filthy scumbag junkie is NOT the core of the problem.

Actually, the vast majority of recreational cannabis users ARE functional and law-abiding.

And no, they aren't junkies.

No such thing as "recreational cannabis users" for the same reason as there's no "recreational ice users" - IT'S ILLEGAL, DUMBAZZ!!! Roll Eyes

Grow up, eejit!

There is NO comparison between the two.

Users of marijuana are prone to hallucinations, panic attacks, separation from reality, memory problems, the loss of ability to think clearly and the inability for coordinated movement and other psychiatric episodes and the use of marijuana is illegal. Users of ice are prone to hallucinations (e.g. a belief that creatures are under the skin that has lead some users to scratch/cut swathes of skin from their body), episodes of extreme violence and exhibit abnormal levels of strength and the use of ice is illegal. Ice use also leads to physical changes, particularly in the skin and face, with lesions and loss of colour. Also, the "come down" from the ice high can be brutal with users developing feelings of depression and a desire to commit acts of self-harm. You don't know what you're talking about Kat, so stay out of this conversation.

lol how could one person get SO much SO wrong SO often?

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #127 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:48pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:55pm:

One thing that is often overlooked by the anti decriminalisation crowd is the fact that currently illegal drugs are very highly marketed in todays society, it is in the dealers best interest to "push" drugs onto people in order to get new customers, they have a very effective marketing strategy for two reasons, one is for profits but in most cases addicts become dealers and promoters of drugs to support their own habit.

Under decriminalisation their will be no more marketing of illegal drugs for sale, in the same way that there is no more advertising for cigarettes.

In the same way we don't have home brew alcohol? Pot stills?

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Reply #128 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:51pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:55pm:

One thing that is often overlooked by the anti decriminalisation crowd is the fact that currently illegal drugs are very highly marketed in todays society, it is in the dealers best interest to "push" drugs onto people in order to get new customers, they have a very effective marketing strategy for two reasons, one is for profits but in most cases addicts become dealers and promoters of drugs to support their own habit.

Under decriminalisation their will be no more marketing of illegal drugs for sale, in the same way that there is no more advertising for cigarettes.

Under a decriminilised system the drug pushers will lose their existing market overnight.
'Releasing a new drug' onto the market will be very hard for them, as their regular customers have a regulated known source.

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #129 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:15pm

RSprintcyclist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:51pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:55pm:

One thing that is often overlooked by the anti decriminalisation crowd is the fact that currently illegal drugs are very highly marketed in todays society, it is in the dealers best interest to "push" drugs onto people in order to get new customers, they have a very effective marketing strategy for two reasons, one is for profits but in most cases addicts become dealers and promoters of drugs to support their own habit.

Under decriminalisation their will be no more marketing of illegal drugs for sale, in the same way that there is no more advertising for cigarettes.

Under a decriminilised system the drug pushers will lose their existing market overnight.
'Releasing a new drug' onto the market will be very hard for them, as their regular customers have a regulated known source.

The thing is we already have precedent that proves what sprint says is correct, those that want to see our kids continue to kill themselves hate that.
We have countries as well as numerous states in the USA where prohibited drugs here are legal and instead of the sky falling down quite the opposite has happened.

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #130 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:27pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:15pm:

RSprintcyclist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:51pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:55pm:

One thing that is often overlooked by the anti decriminalisation crowd is the fact that currently illegal drugs are very highly marketed in todays society, it is in the dealers best interest to "push" drugs onto people in order to get new customers, they have a very effective marketing strategy for two reasons, one is for profits but in most cases addicts become dealers and promoters of drugs to support their own habit.

Under decriminalisation their will be no more marketing of illegal drugs for sale, in the same way that there is no more advertising for cigarettes.

Under a decriminilised system the drug pushers will lose their existing market overnight.
'Releasing a new drug' onto the market will be very hard for them, as their regular customers have a regulated known source.

The thing is we already have precedent that proves what sprint says is correct, those that want to see our kids continue to kill themselves hate that.
We have countries as well as numerous states in the USA where prohibited drugs here are legal and instead of the sky falling down quite the opposite has happened.

Really? What Countries/States and what prohibited drugs, specifically?

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #131 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:33pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:27pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:15pm:

RSprintcyclist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:51pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:55pm:

One thing that is often overlooked by the anti decriminalisation crowd is the fact that currently illegal drugs are very highly marketed in todays society, it is in the dealers best interest to "push" drugs onto people in order to get new customers, they have a very effective marketing strategy for two reasons, one is for profits but in most cases addicts become dealers and promoters of drugs to support their own habit.

Under decriminalisation their will be no more marketing of illegal drugs for sale, in the same way that there is no more advertising for cigarettes.

Under a decriminilised system the drug pushers will lose their existing market overnight.
'Releasing a new drug' onto the market will be very hard for them, as their regular customers have a regulated known source.

The thing is we already have precedent that proves what sprint says is correct, those that want to see our kids continue to kill themselves hate that.
We have countries as well as numerous states in the USA where prohibited drugs here are legal and instead of the sky falling down quite the opposite has happened.

Really? What Countries/States and what prohibited drugs, specifically?

Aussie - the netherland and portugal.

Please see my earlier posts or google it

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Reply #132 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:41pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:33pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:27pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:15pm:

RSprintcyclist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:51pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:55pm:

One thing that is often overlooked by the anti decriminalisation crowd is the fact that currently illegal drugs are very highly marketed in todays society, it is in the dealers best interest to "push" drugs onto people in order to get new customers, they have a very effective marketing strategy for two reasons, one is for profits but in most cases addicts become dealers and promoters of drugs to support their own habit.

Under decriminalisation their will be no more marketing of illegal drugs for sale, in the same way that there is no more advertising for cigarettes.

Under a decriminilised system the drug pushers will lose their existing market overnight.
'Releasing a new drug' onto the market will be very hard for them, as their regular customers have a regulated known source.

The thing is we already have precedent that proves what sprint says is correct, those that want to see our kids continue to kill themselves hate that.
We have countries as well as numerous states in the USA where prohibited drugs here are legal and instead of the sky falling down quite the opposite has happened.

Really? What Countries/States and what prohibited drugs, specifically?

Aussie - the netherland and portugal.

Please see my earlier posts or google it

Aussie obviously doesn't know how to use google. Roll Eyes

Colorado for one in the USA have legal pot now. If aussie is too lazy to look for himself or too stupid to already know it's not my problem.
As of June, 23 states and Washington, D.C., have legalized marijuana use in some form, according to Governing Magazine. The majority of those states have legalized cannabis for medicinal purposes, however recreational marijuana use is fully legal in Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, Washington and the District of Columbia.

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #133 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:42pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:23pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:15am:

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:46am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 5:20am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

And meth heads will quietly sit around without feeling rage or paranoia, junkies will not break in a steal your stuff, all of them will

immediately become law abiding functional human beings

. It will be amazing.

Not a lot will change will occur, as junkies will still commit crimes to feed their habit, unless of course the decriminalisation extends to all the crimes a person commits while being a fine standing member of our community, who just happens to focus on a single destructive activity.

Getting arrested for being a filthy scumbag junkie is NOT the core of the problem.

Actually, the vast majority of recreational cannabis users ARE functional and law-abiding.

And no, they aren't junkies.

No such thing as "recreational cannabis users" for the same reason as there's no "recreational ice users" - IT'S ILLEGAL, DUMBAZZ!!! Roll Eyes

Grow up, eejit!

There is NO comparison between the two.

Users of marijuana are prone to hallucinations, panic attacks, separation from reality, memory problems, the loss of ability to think clearly and the inability for coordinated movement and other psychiatric episodes and the use of marijuana is illegal. Users of ice are prone to hallucinations (e.g. a belief that creatures are under the skin that has lead some users to scratch/cut swathes of skin from their body), episodes of extreme violence and exhibit abnormal levels of strength and the use of ice is illegal. Ice use also leads to physical changes, particularly in the skin and face, with lesions and loss of colour. Also, the "come down" from the ice high can be brutal with users developing feelings of depression and a desire to commit acts of self-harm. You don't know what you're talking about Kat, so stay out of this conversation.

lol how could one person get SO much SO wrong SO often?

I don't know, but that's what I've come to expect of Kat...

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #134 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:53pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:41pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:33pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:27pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:15pm:

RSprintcyclist wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:51pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:55pm:

One thing that is often overlooked by the anti decriminalisation crowd is the fact that currently illegal drugs are very highly marketed in todays society, it is in the dealers best interest to "push" drugs onto people in order to get new customers, they have a very effective marketing strategy for two reasons, one is for profits but in most cases addicts become dealers and promoters of drugs to support their own habit.

Under decriminalisation their will be no more marketing of illegal drugs for sale, in the same way that there is no more advertising for cigarettes.

Under a decriminilised system the drug pushers will lose their existing market overnight.
'Releasing a new drug' onto the market will be very hard for them, as their regular customers have a regulated known source.

The thing is we already have precedent that proves what sprint says is correct, those that want to see our kids continue to kill themselves hate that.
We have countries as well as numerous states in the USA where prohibited drugs here are legal and instead of the sky falling down quite the opposite has happened.

Really? What Countries/States and what prohibited drugs, specifically?

Aussie - the netherland and portugal.

Please see my earlier posts or google it

Aussie obviously doesn't know how to use google. Roll Eyes

Colorado for one in the USA have legal pot now. If aussie is too lazy to look for himself or too stupid to already know it's not my problem.
As of June, 23 states and Washington, D.C., have legalized marijuana use in some form, according to Governing Magazine. The majority of those states have legalized cannabis for medicinal purposes, however recreational marijuana use is fully legal in Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, Washington and the District of Columbia.

Give the condescension away skippeeee. Everyone knows that marijuana has been 'legalised' in some US States. You referred to 'countries' and Australian 'prohibited drugs.' Plural ~ drug

s

. What Countries and what drug

s

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