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Reply #105 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

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Reply #106 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:00am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

Agreed.

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #107 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:57am

mothra wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:00am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

Agreed.

Sounds remarkably like Tony beating the sh1t out of refugees and saying it was an attack on the people smugglers.... yet it is the refugees who languish in PI gulags and are then extradited to Nowheritania.

Perhaps you'd like to address the nuts and bolts of this approach?

Buy your drug of choice at any pharmacy.. over the counter or through prescription? How many will pay a doc to get their shots? How many docs will consider it in the best interests of the patient to give unlimited access to drugs of choice without a coincidental program to 'cure' them of the habit?

How are these people to obtain their drug of choice unless it is through an official channel and regulated? Continue to go to the backyarder? In which case what is the difference?

Simply de-criminalising drugs makes NO DIFFERENCE TO THE MARKET. It may... MAY.. lower the price and thus the social issues that arise from extreme drug abuse..... but why should it? People deal drugs for massive profit... not to make enough to pay their legal bills and to cover their potential 'down time' of a few years in the slammer. How will de-criminalising change that?

Only GOVERNMENT control of the market will achieve that.... in which case all other transactions will be illegal...... and probably criminal.

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Reply #109 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 5:20am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

And meth heads will quietly sit around without feeling rage or paranoia, junkies will not break in a steal your stuff, all of them will immediately become law abiding functional human beings. It will be amazing.

Not a lot will change will occur, as junkies will still commit crimes to feed their habit, unless of course the decriminalisation extends to all the crimes a person commits while being a fine standing member of our community, who just happens to focus on a single destructive activity.

Getting arrested for being a filthy scumbag junkie is NOT the core of the problem.

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Reply #110 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:46am

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 5:20am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

And meth heads will quietly sit around without feeling rage or paranoia, junkies will not break in a steal your stuff, all of them will

immediately become law abiding functional human beings

. It will be amazing.

Not a lot will change will occur, as junkies will still commit crimes to feed their habit, unless of course the decriminalisation extends to all the crimes a person commits while being a fine standing member of our community, who just happens to focus on a single destructive activity.

Getting arrested for being a filthy scumbag junkie is NOT the core of the problem.

Actually, the vast majority of recreational cannabis users ARE functional and law-abiding.

And no, they aren't junkies.

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Reply #111 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:14am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

You're an idiot if you think decriminalising drugs will help. Do you think someone high on ice will be any less violent just because it's now legal? Do you think someone smoking marijuana will be less likely to suffer hallucinations just because it's legal? Do you think someone passed out on cocaine while their baby is crying should be allowed to keep their child just because cocaine is legal? Decriminalising drugs will create a whole new set of problems without addressing the ones that already exist and anyone who thinks otherwise is a raving lunatic.

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #112 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:15am

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:46am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 5:20am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

And meth heads will quietly sit around without feeling rage or paranoia, junkies will not break in a steal your stuff, all of them will

immediately become law abiding functional human beings

. It will be amazing.

Not a lot will change will occur, as junkies will still commit crimes to feed their habit, unless of course the decriminalisation extends to all the crimes a person commits while being a fine standing member of our community, who just happens to focus on a single destructive activity.

Getting arrested for being a filthy scumbag junkie is NOT the core of the problem.

Actually, the vast majority of recreational cannabis users ARE functional and law-abiding.

And no, they aren't junkies.

No such thing as "recreational cannabis users" for the same reason as there's no "recreational ice users" - IT'S ILLEGAL, DUMBAZZ!!! Roll Eyes

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #113 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:15am

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 5:20am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

And meth heads will quietly sit around without feeling rage or paranoia, junkies will not break in a steal your stuff, all of them will immediately become law abiding functional human beings. It will be amazing.

Not a lot will change will occur, as junkies will still commit crimes to feed their habit, unless of course the decriminalisation extends to all the crimes a person commits while being a fine standing member of our community, who just happens to focus on a single destructive activity.

Getting arrested for being a filthy scumbag junkie is NOT the core of the problem.

Exactly!

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Reply #114 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 8:25am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:15am:

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:46am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 5:20am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

And meth heads will quietly sit around without feeling rage or paranoia, junkies will not break in a steal your stuff, all of them will

immediately become law abiding functional human beings

. It will be amazing.

Not a lot will change will occur, as junkies will still commit crimes to feed their habit, unless of course the decriminalisation extends to all the crimes a person commits while being a fine standing member of our community, who just happens to focus on a single destructive activity.

Getting arrested for being a filthy scumbag junkie is NOT the core of the problem.

Actually, the vast majority of recreational cannabis users ARE functional and law-abiding.

And no, they aren't junkies.

No such thing as "recreational cannabis users" for the same reason as there's no "recreational ice users" - IT'S ILLEGAL, DUMBAZZ!!! Roll Eyes

Grow up, eejit!

There is NO comparison between the two.

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Reply #115 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 10:19am

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 6:46am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 5:20am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

And meth heads will quietly sit around without feeling rage or paranoia, junkies will not break in a steal your stuff, all of them will

immediately become law abiding functional human beings

. It will be amazing.

Not a lot will change will occur, as junkies will still commit crimes to feed their habit, unless of course the decriminalisation extends to all the crimes a person commits while being a fine standing member of our community, who just happens to focus on a single destructive activity.

Getting arrested for being a filthy scumbag junkie is NOT the core of the problem.

Actually, the vast majority of recreational cannabis users ARE functional and law-abiding.

And no, they aren't junkies.

So then by your own keen analytical mind, you know to an absolute certainty that I am NOT talking about recreational cannabis users, am I?

Decriminalising meth, heroin, etc will do nothing to stop these PoS from committing the crimes they always do, and allowing them to shoot up in the streets only has a positive effect for them and no-one else.

They are natural born scum and they will do what they always do, as to all scum.

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Re: Greens want decriminalisation of ice, other drugs
Reply #117 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 10:44am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:15am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 5:20am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

And meth heads will quietly sit around without feeling rage or paranoia, junkies will not break in a steal your stuff, all of them will immediately become law abiding functional human beings. It will be amazing.

Not a lot will change will occur, as junkies will still commit crimes to feed their habit, unless of course the decriminalisation extends to all the crimes a person commits while being a fine standing member of our community, who just happens to focus on a single destructive activity.

Getting arrested for being a filthy scumbag junkie is NOT the core of the problem.

Exactly!

JUST GOTTA love these poor drug addled junkie's Grin

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Reply #118 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 10:48am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 7:14am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

..............Drugs on war is not a conventional war against enemies with big armies who wish to take over our lands etc. Its a stupid propoganda policy that tries to fight drug cartels in a very ineffective way. Has anyone ever done a cost benefit analysis on this pretend war? Perhspd theyll realise that a strategy of legalising drugs would not only end drug cartels, but also make drugs safer and raise money for government. Any liberal supporter who believes in cbo should froth at the idea.

I see it a bit broader than that, but agree with the sentiment.

I am for decriminalising every drug, in order to reduce the harm.
Overnight, the crims will have their 'business' quashed.

You're an nice person if you think decriminalising drugs will help. Do you think someone high on ice will be any less violent just because it's now legal? Do you think someone smoking marijuana will be less likely to suffer hallucinations just because it's legal? Do you think someone passed out on cocaine while their baby is crying should be allowed to keep their child just because cocaine is legal? Decriminalising drugs will create a whole new set of problems without addressing the ones that already exist and anyone who thinks otherwise is a raving lunatic.

How is any of that different to legal drugs? Noone is saying drugs are good. What we are saying is we know people will continue to use so the safest option is to regulate and educate. No drug war will ever get rid of drugs.

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Reply #119 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 11:10am

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 10:19am:

................So then by your own keen analytical mind, you know to an absolute certainty that I am NOT talking about recreational cannabis users, am I?

Decriminalising meth, heroin, etc will do nothing to stop these PoS from committing the crimes they always do, and allowing them to shoot up in the streets only has a positive effect for them and no-one else.

They are natural born scum and they will do what they always do, as to all scum.

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............Decriminalising meth, heroin, etc will do nothing to stop these PoS from committing the crimes they always do,.......

Bigol64 - in holland heroin has been decriminilised.
Junkies commit very little crime now. The usage of smack has dropped.
The junkies are bored as they have no 'struggle' to get smack. Many want a normal life now.

See one of my previous postings or google the net.

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