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Re: what a GRUB clive palmer is
Reply #45 - Mar 3rd, 2016 at 8:14am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 8:17pm:
mariacostel wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 4:51pm:
Its time wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:50pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:13am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:05am:
AP the nitwits would know that.. they are complaining... nay   whining about a word..



loan and guarantor have  two different meanings..

when you are supporting the wrong side... dont you know anything???...

can anyone see clive paying this $35m back?????.....nope neither can I.. and the State would have been stuck with it...

shows how entitled he thinks he is.... to even ask for such a bail out...

.he must have robbed his business' blind....because no one seems to have ever seen his financial papers..........he thinks his name is good enough.. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

well gweggy and aussie may lend him a few dollars..


State or Federal governments shouldn't be bailing out private businesses anyway. If they can't compete, then they cease to exist.


Eliminate corporate welfare , i completely agree


Eliminate personal welfare as well and we can agree at last.



You'd rather those without food wait outside your home or at the ATM for you?  O..K!

Sometimes your thinking has merit..... I'm sure the wheels from the hubby's Merc would feed a poor family for a week....


If you get rid of corporate welfare then our can afford to cut income tax to a flat rate of 20%. of course there will be no progressive income tax as that is a form of welfare. Everyone pays the same!
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Re: what a GRUB clive palmer is
Reply #46 - Mar 4th, 2016 at 9:17pm
 
Ping pong.

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The Feds are happy to bail out Ford, Toyota and GMH...but not an 'Aussie.'

Fair enough.
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Reply #47 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 7:17am
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 4th, 2016 at 9:17pm:
Ping pong.

Link.

The Feds are happy to bail out Ford, Toyota and GMH...but not an 'Aussie.'

Fair enough.



I think Clive should sell his  homes and planes first dont you????>...

why should the Feds bail him out... when he gave so much to the PUP party.. and drained his business in the first place..


at least I dont recall Ford Holden Toyota doing that... perhaps YOU CAN REMIND EVERYONE????

its CLIVES pure and UTTER GREED that has caused this to fold.......

how about you asking him to return the DONATIONS TO PUP....next meeting you go to?
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Reply #48 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 3:19pm
 
Really, cods....go and read about what a company is and what an individual is.
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Re: what a GRUB clive palmer is
Reply #49 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 4:49pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Mar 3rd, 2016 at 8:14am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 8:17pm:
mariacostel wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 4:51pm:
Its time wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:50pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:13am:
cods wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:05am:
AP the nitwits would know that.. they are complaining... nay   whining about a word..



loan and guarantor have  two different meanings..

when you are supporting the wrong side... dont you know anything???...

can anyone see clive paying this $35m back?????.....nope neither can I.. and the State would have been stuck with it...

shows how entitled he thinks he is.... to even ask for such a bail out...

.he must have robbed his business' blind....because no one seems to have ever seen his financial papers..........he thinks his name is good enough.. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

well gweggy and aussie may lend him a few dollars..


State or Federal governments shouldn't be bailing out private businesses anyway. If they can't compete, then they cease to exist.


Eliminate corporate welfare , i completely agree


Eliminate personal welfare as well and we can agree at last.



You'd rather those without food wait outside your home or at the ATM for you?  O..K!

Sometimes your thinking has merit..... I'm sure the wheels from the hubby's Merc would feed a poor family for a week....


If you get rid of corporate welfare then our can afford to cut income tax to a flat rate of 20%. of course there will be no progressive income tax as that is a form of welfare. Everyone pays the same!


Only if those salaries that have become overblown to cover higher tax rates are reduced to suit the tax regime, rather than a tax cut and removal of progressive taxation become a windfall for the already fat.

It's a pretty simple mathematical manipulation.. I'm sure Luong Yi would be able to do it for us in a flash...

Lessee now:-

Say JD is copping a salary of $250k.... currently  pays income tax as follows:-


250000 – 180,001 = 69,999

Tax = $54,547 + 45 for every dollar over 180,000

54/100 x 70,000 = 31,500

TOTAL 31,500 + 54547 =  85,047

250k - $85,047 = $164,953.

So – on a 20% flat rate – to attain $164,953... the payer would need to be paid $164,953 x 6/5 =

$197,943.60

How many fat cats are up for that?  An apparent drop of 52,000 would nearly kill them.... they'd have an infarction and scream tyranny of taxation.... ochlocracy  - THEIR view is they should pay 20% income tax but NOT lose top end to suit, and thus get in the hand  $200k and not $164,953.........

It's called The Politics Of Greed.

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Reply #50 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 4:55pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 3:19pm:
Really, cods....go and read about what a company is and what an individual is.


Perhaps, cods will believe the Mayor of Townsville:

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She said she had hoped the two levels of government could work together to prevent a disaster.

"We've seen federal governments in the past pour hundreds of millions into industries they've wanted to save," she said.



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Reply #51 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:01pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 4:55pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 3:19pm:
Really, cods....go and read about what a company is and what an individual is.


Perhaps, cods will believe the Mayor of Townsville:

Link.

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She said she had hoped the two levels of government could work together to prevent a disaster.

"We've seen federal governments in the past pour hundreds of millions into industries they've wanted to save," she said.






of course you would b e happy to see everyone except CLIVE bail out Qld nickle.. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin and as for the MAYOR OF TOWNSVILLE>>

how much is SHE CHIPPING IN..

how much are you CHIPPING IN AUSSIE>. you put him in this position of POWER remember

funny how you keep on coming up with

why the TAXPAYERS should allow Clive to hang on to all hi8s house and planes... just for old times sake I am sure.
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but we never here how much they are chipping in themselves.

so come on aussie   got an odd $100.000 you can afford to throw away???..

I am sure Jenny has got her cheque book out just to set a good example you know??..

what about the tax/ratepayers of Townsville whats their offer...

funny that everyone knows it will be money down the gurgle.. Qld Nickle is going nowhere..

come on aussie tell us  are you prepared to put your taxi business on the line....mortgage it up to the hilt

to save CLIVE?.


Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 3:19pm:
Really, cods....go and read about what a company is and what an individual is.



if he can take money out of Qld Nickle... for his own benefit.. then he can put it back before he begs for money from the govt.... his PUP is another huge expensive failure.. and you want the public to bail him out..


then he can carry on robbing the poor to benefit himself....and hang on to those apartments.and dead dinosaurs. and going nowhere coal mines...and planes and fancy cars.. and gawd only knows how many homes in his daughters name and even his wifes...

yeah right my heart bleeds for him.






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Reply #52 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:10pm
 
cods, do you post rubbish deliberately?

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if he can take money out of Qld Nickle... for his own benefit.. then he can put it back before he begs for money from the govt.... his PUP is another huge expensive failure.. and you want the public to bail him out..


He is the sole shareholder in a Company which paid him a dividend.  He is not begging for anything.  It is the Administrators of a Company (in which Clive is the sole shareholder) and the Mayor of Townsville asking Government to provide a guarantee of a loan.  Nothing to do with Clive.

BHP ~ BHP shareholders, two totally different things.  Do you understand that?
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Reply #53 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:14pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:10pm:
cods, do you post rubbish deliberately?

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if he can take money out of Qld Nickle... for his own benefit.. then he can put it back before he begs for money from the govt.... his PUP is another huge expensive failure.. and you want the public to bail him out..


He is the sole shareholder in a Company which paid him a dividend.  He is not begging for anything.  It is the Administrators of a Company (in which Clive is the sole shareholder) and the Mayor of Townsville asking Government to provide a guarantee of a loan.  Nothing to do with Clive.

BHP ~ BHP shareholders, two totally different things.  Do you understand that?




no dear I think even you will find..

you cannot take millions out one day and go cap in hand the next for the govt to guarantee.

what this guy has no intention of paying back...

I know you beolieve in this guy you lick his boots we know you do.

but answer the question

HOW MUCH ARE YOU PREPARED TO MORTGAGE YOUR LIFE FOR THIS MAN WHO CAN DO EXACTLY AS HE PLEASES BEING THE SOLE SHAREHOLDER AND ALL........


do you think the TAX MAN is taking no notice of all this????

come on aussie a simple how much.. will you give him.???... yes it will be a GIVE not a loan..





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Reply #54 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:17pm
 
I am sure the tax man is more than interested in someone who buys a company then strips it of everything for his own personal benefit....

then goes cap in hand for hand outs.... guarantees... its laughable.. Grin Grin Grin

clive probably thinks everyone came down with yesterdays shower like all those who voted for him....


btw aussie has he put his his home and his plane on the market to pay back these donations....in the millions... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

what about property in  Fairfax I am sure you would know whats happening with that?>
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Reply #55 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm
 
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you cannot take millions out one day and go cap in hand the next for the govt to guarantee.

what this guy has no intention of paying back...

I know you beolieve in this guy you lick his boots we know you do.


Please cods, ask someone in your Family to let you know about the difference between a Company and a shareholder in that Company.  They are two totally different legal entities.  Will you do that, or just continue to post in naked ignorance of simple corporate concepts?
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Reply #56 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:48pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:17pm:
I am sure the tax man is more than interested in someone who buys a company then strips it of everything for his own personal benefit....


Then the ATO probably needs to hire 250,000 more investigators because they would need to visit the accounts of every single Venture Capital company in Australia.
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Reply #57 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:51pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:17pm:
I am sure the tax man is more than interested in someone who buys a company then strips it of everything for his own personal benefit....



Bottom of the harbour anyone?
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Reply #58 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 8:47pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm:
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you cannot take millions out one day and go cap in hand the next for the govt to guarantee.

what this guy has no intention of paying back...

I know you beolieve in this guy you lick his boots we know you do.


Please cods, ask someone in your Family to let you know about the difference between a Company and a shareholder in that Company.  They are two totally different legal entities.  Will you do that, or just continue to post in naked ignorance of simple corporate concepts?




PLEASE AUSSIE



TEL;L US ALL HOW MUCH YOU PLANM ON GIVING TO CLIVE FOR HIS ..

"SAVE ME" FUND

HOW MUCH WILL YOU MORTGAGE YOUR WORLD AUSSIE.


COME ON WE ARE WAITING...
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Reply #59 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 8:55pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:24pm:
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you cannot take millions out one day and go cap in hand the next for the govt to guarantee.

what this guy has no intention of paying back...

I know you beolieve in this guy you lick his boots we know you do.


Please cods, ask someone in your Family to let you know about the difference between a Company and a shareholder in that Company.  They are two totally different legal entities.  Will you do that, or just continue to post in naked ignorance of simple corporate concepts?




PLEASE AUSSIE



TEL;L US ALL HOW MUCH YOU PLANM ON GIVING TO CLIVE FOR HIS ..

"SAVE ME" FUND

HOW MUCH WILL YOU MORTGAGE YOUR WORLD AUSSIE.


COME ON WE ARE WAITING...


Nothing. 

He does not need anything from me.  He does not need 'saving.'  The jobs of several hundred people in Townsville  are  at stake, not Clive.  That is what you are yet to understand.
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