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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Climate change is proven real - CE Marshall CSIRO Reply #45 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 3:17pm it's imperative that Soren apologises unconditionally in writing
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21592 Gender:	Re: Climate change is proven real - CE Marshall CSIRO Reply #46 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:37pm John_Taverner wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 8:07pm: I'll talk to you after you attempt your homework. So now you are saying I didn't try and fail?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21592 Gender:	Re: Climate change is proven real - CE Marshall CSIRO Reply #47 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:40pm John_Taverner wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 2:41pm: 750Gt in the atmosphere corresponds to about 1990 levels. How much do you think we have in the atmosphere today? What has it increased to? By how much has the increased CO2 increased temperatures?
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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: Climate change is proven real - CE Marshall CSIRO Reply #48 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 8:22pm I'll give Soren a chance to answer.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Climate change is proven real - CE Marshall CSIRO Reply #49 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:11pm Post accidentally deleted.
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Reply #50 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:00pm

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Soren,

Your little spiel shows that you are pig ignorant of the current state of the carbon cycle.

750Gt in the atmosphere corresponds to about 1990 levels. How much do you think we have in the atmosphere today? What has it increased to?

I'm sure that you at least are capable of elementary arithmetic. I'll give you a chance to do Lee's homework:

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The Earth's atmosphere has a total mass of 5.1480 × 10^18 kg. The current CO2 concentration is about 401ppm volume. That translates to about 608ppm by mass.

You claim that there is 750 petagrams of Carbon in the atmosphere. That figure is slightly out of date.

What do the updated figures give you in petagrams (10^15 grams)?

(1Petagram= 1Gigatonne)

Also to make it easier for you:
1 petagram of carbon = 3.67 petagrams of CO2.

That should take you less than a minute.

OK, It looks like I'll have to do the calculation for you two numpties.

608 parts per million by mass. Total atmospheric mass 5.1480 × 10^18 kg

So 608 millionths of 5.1480 x 10^18 kg
= 3130 x 10^12 kg

or (3130/3.67) x 10^12 kg carbon dioxide

= 852 Gte of C in the atmosphere as of February 2016

As a rule of thumb, multiply the current ppmv level by 2.13 to give Gigatonnes.

Your figure of 750Gte is equivalent tp 352ppmv, which is approximately 1990 levels.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21592 Gender:	Re: Climate change is proven real - CE Marshall CSIRO Reply #51 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:05pm And the effect on temperatures is huge. /sarc
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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: Climate change is proven real - CE Marshall CSIRO Reply #52 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:24pm lee wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:05pm: And the effect on temperatures is huge. /sarc It's a good job that it it isn't. Taking CO2 alone, you're looking at 1 degree C per doubling of CO2. (but you can't take CO2 alone)
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Reply #53 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:30pm

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

It's a good job that it it isn't. Taking CO2 alone, you're looking at 1 degree C per doubling of CO2. (but you can't take CO2 alone)

Doesn't appear to accord with the IPCC views.

But I much prefer to take my CO2 significantly 'watered down' with O2.

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Reply #54 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:33pm

Soren,

I profusely apologise for deleting your post. Being moderator of this forum, I have a Modify button which appears where the Quote button is normally located in other forums.

You were saying something about it being silly to presume that the carbon cycle can't adjust to a small emission in carbon.

This was my reply, which I initially embedded in your original post.
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What is "silly" is to fail to recognize that if the carbon cycle had accommodated a small annual increase in emissions, there would not be a small annual increase in atmospheric concentration.

852 Gigatonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere in 2016. 750Gigatonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere in 1990.

That's 100 Gigatonnes increase,

100/750 = a 13% increase in about 25 years or a 38% increase since industrialisation.

Soren, that's only 0.52% per annum!

The actual emission is bigger than that, because a significant amount is absorbed by the ocean.

100/25 = 4 Gigatonnes (C) or roughly a 2ppmv increase per year.

That corresponds to 4 x 3.67 or about 15 Gigatonnes of CO2.

The average emission per annum has been about 25 Gigatonnes of CO2.

The last two years were running about 35Gigatonnes. It is slowly starting to level out despite world GDP increasing by much more than that proportionally.

We can thank the growth in renewable energy for that levelling off.
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Of course I will accept a self ban for 2 weeks (since I'll be at sea) , and I'm leaving chimp in charge.

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Reply #55 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:38pm

lee wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:30pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

It's a good job that it it isn't. Taking CO2 alone, you're looking at 1 degree C per doubling of CO2. (but you can't take CO2 alone)

Doesn't appear to accord with the IPCC views.

But I much prefer to take my CO2 significantly 'watered down' with O2.

Pretty close. That's a consequence of the radiative forcing associated with an increase in CO2 without the feedbacks that result. I said "for CO2 alone".

CO2 forcing has been measured at about 0.2W/m2 per decade.

http://phys.org/news/2015-02-carbon-dioxide-greenhouse-effect.html

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Climate change is proven real - CE Marshall CSIRO Reply #56 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:19pm John_Taverner wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:33pm: ========================================== Of course I will accept a self ban for 2 weeks (since I'll be at sea) , and I'm leaving chimp in charge. Have a nice voyage - and god help us with the monkey in charge.
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Reply #57 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 2:07am

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

have you sieved through the models and data yet lee?

have you been able to find a model that predicts static or declining global temperatures as CO2 levels rise?

have you found one that's been verified?

...is this a fight over who's doing who's homework?

Hey, let's all smoke crack and teach the kids to have kids for no reason and may we all bow down to hollywood whilst we do it.

"..just put it all on the environmental credit card, buddy: the kids will let their kids pick it up later!"

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122308 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Climate change is proven real - CE Marshall CSIRO Reply #58 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:58am *
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Reply #59 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 8:47am

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

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Of course I will accept a self ban for 2 weeks (since I'll be at sea) , and I'm leaving chimp in charge.

Have a nice voyage - and god help us with the monkey in charge.

Dear Soren

that comment was totally uncalled for.

My feelings have been deeply hurt.

I can only implement a self ban of 2 weeks so that I can recover emotionally and spiritually from this vicious and unwarranted personal attack in public.

I am a shattered human being right now.

Well done Soren, well done mate.
Your callous disregard for human integrity and lack of compassion for your fellow citizen is well documented in this forum.

I hope that you re-assess your illness over the next 2 weeks and undergo a personal redemption so that the world may improve slightly.

Think of the children Soren - all colors and creeds. All cultural backgrounds and religion.

good luck Soren, and well done

well done

chimp

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