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Reply #30 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:12pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 10:48am:
We've had 35 years of AGW. One climate period according to the WMO. Perhaps they can now verify how the models have performed. Each and every one. Not an ensemble. Discard those that have failed.


have you sieved through the models and data yet lee?

have you been able to find a model that predicts static or declining global temperatures as CO2 levels rise?

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Reply #31 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:15pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:12pm:
have you sieved through the models and data yet lee?

have you been able to find a model that predicts static or declining global temperatures as CO2 levels rise?



have you found one that's been verified?
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Reply #32 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:20pm
 
The Great Soren has arrived and joined the debate

We are indeed in the presence of supreme magnificence ladies and gentlemen

We must lower our heads and submit superiority to this Sublime Intellectual giant!


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Reply #33 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:23pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:15pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:12pm:
have you sieved through the models and data yet lee?

have you been able to find a model that predicts static or declining global temperatures as CO2 levels rise?



have you found one that's been verified?


surely you have a theoretical framework that underpins a static or declining thermal model.

Go on lee - just one

reveal ONE model and its scientific background so I can have a laugh in public

Even the fossil fuel industry cannot steep that low as to BS to the public with a deception model.

But this may be possible with the Great lee ladies and gentlemen.

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Reply #34 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:35pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:23pm:
Even the fossil fuel industry cannot steep that low as to BS to the public with a deception model.



But the AGW-ers can.
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Reply #35 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:56pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:05pm:
I mean the stupid and eyewateringly arrogant bluster about 'limiting warming to 2 degrees Celsius by 2100".  WHat kind of nice person would reveal himself to be so totally unmoored as to make such a statement?  Er... the AGW 'community', that's who.  As if they had any understanding of how the climate actually works.


By the AGW community, I presume that you mean the experts in the field of climatology.

I'm dying to find out what an incredible epiphany you have had in order to be able to set yourself in a superior position to the  authorities in the field, especially with such an eye-wateringly arrogant bluster, to use your own phrase.   

Do you have more substance to your argument bluster than

"Ahem - well I don't know that sciency stuff, so nobody else can possibly know."

- because that seems to be the crux of your argument bluster right now.

I'll tell you what. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.  The best way to demonstrate that you actually know what you're talking about is to do Lee's homework for him. He has tried and failed. Now it's up to you to lead the vanguard and demonstrate that, despite initial impressions,  you're not actually full of excrement.
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Reply #36 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 8:01pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:56pm:
By the AGW community, I presume that you mean the experts in the field of climatology.



The 97%?
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Reply #37 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 8:02pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:56pm:
The best way to demonstrate that you actually know what you're talking about is to do Lee's homework for him. He has tried and failed.



That's not how I recall it. But you have shown you have different standards of proof.
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Reply #38 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 8:02pm
 
I was talking to Soren. He has not yet proven himself to be totally incompetent.
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Reply #39 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 8:03pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 8:02pm:
I was talking to Soren. He has not yet proven himself to be totally incompetent.



And you have not proven yourself even remotely competent.
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Reply #40 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 8:07pm
 
I'll talk to you after you attempt your homework.
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Reply #41 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 1:48pm
 
No temperature predictions of the AGW crowd has ever been correct simply because no body understands how the climate actually works and changes over decades. Nobody, not experts, not activists, not professors, nobody The 'limiting AGW to max 2 degrees ' is even more stupid and is peddled only by activists.

Total CO2 in the natural COE cycle? 750 gigatons. Human CoE emissions? 30 gigatons. That's 4% of the natural CO2.

But that 4% is overwhelming the system that has been happily dealing with other 96%. That 4% would cause warming by 4-6 degrees by 2100, they claim. But they have a fix - limit that 4% so the warming will be no more than 2 degrees. (thats average 2 degrees, not a uniform 2 degrees everywhere, you know. But they can fix that too, don't you worry about it and above all, never doubt them)

See this: https://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm, written by this guy: https://gpwayne.wordpress.com/  Not exactly a scientist or an expert, is he? He is an out of work computer geek and graphomaniac.





It's just too stupid.


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Reply #42 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 1:56pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
Total CO2 in the natural COE cycle? 750 gigatons. Human CoE emissions? 30 gigatons. That's 4% of the natural CO2.

But that 4% is overwhelming the system that has been happily dealing with other 96%...



The key word here is CYCLE

I wonder if the Great Soren noticed what the net effect of the CARBON CYCLE is and where the additional 29 GT of human carbon emissions is going?

how does somebody use a figure of 4% in this way and expect to be taken seriously?

Soren must apologise and self ban

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I wonder if the Great Soren can also explain why the CO2 level remained relatively constant prior to the industrial era?

the Great Soren pops his head in for one second and self embarrasses.

Soren's 4% ladies and gentlemen.

Look Soren, Look at your 4%


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Reply #43 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 2:32pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
Total CO2 in the natural COE cycle? 750 gigatons. Human CoE emissions? 30 gigatons. That's 4% of the natural CO2.

It's just too stupid.




Inaccurate too.
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Reply #44 - Feb 13th, 2016 at 2:41pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
No temperature predictions of the AGW crowd has ever been correct simply because no body understands how the climate actually works and changes over decades. Nobody, not experts, not activists, not professors, nobody The 'limiting AGW to max 2 degrees ' is even more stupid and is peddled only by activists.

Total CO2 in the natural COE cycle? 750 gigatons. Human CoE emissions? 30 gigatons. That's 4% of the natural CO2.

But that 4% is overwhelming the system that has been happily dealing with other 96%. That 4% would cause warming by 4-6 degrees by 2100, they claim. But they have a fix - limit that 4% so the warming will be no more than 2 degrees. (thats average 2 degrees, not a uniform 2 degrees everywhere, you know. But they can fix that too, don't you worry about it and above all, never doubt them)

See this: https://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm, written by this guy: https://gpwayne.wordpress.com/  Not exactly a scientist or an expert, is he? He is an out of work computer geek and graphomaniac.





It's just too stupid.




Soren,

Your little spiel shows that you are pig ignorant of the current state of the carbon cycle.

750Gt in the atmosphere corresponds to about 1990 levels. How much do you think we have in the atmosphere today? What has it increased to?

I'm sure that you at least are capable of elementary arithmetic. I'll give you a chance to do Lee's homework:

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The Earth's atmosphere has a total mass of 5.1480 ื 10^18  kg.  The current CO2 concentration is about 401ppm volume. That translates to about 608ppm by mass.

You claim that there is 750 petagrams of Carbon in the atmosphere. That figure is slightly out of date.

What do the updated figures give you in petagrams (10^15 grams)?

(1Petagram= 1Gigatonne)


Also to make it easier for you:
1 petagram of carbon = 3.67 petagrams of CO2.


That should take you less than a minute.
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