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Re: Islamic school corruption
Reply #135 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 11:15am

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 10:34am:

No Gandalf. I am asking what the answer is.

But you already know the answer FD - remember?

"So do government funds given to Muslim-run private schools in Australia [go to terrorists]."

Why do you even pretend to be cute about this?

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 10:34am:

Because a school has been shut down over it. Because of millions of dollors of government funds disappearing into "irregularities". Don't you think it is important to ask why this happened?

So basically, you can't understand why human beings would get greedy and want to make a profit for profit's sake. No doubt a mystery for the ages that one. Not surprising though you would scratch your head over this when you haven't even heard of religious bodies running for profit. Apparently FD hasn't heard of the gigantic global corporate entity known as the Catholic Church.

Meanwhile, everyone else is simply saying such opportunistic profiteering at the expense of children's education was wrong and want to make sure it doesn't happen again - without feeling the need to invent porkies about imaginary terrorist links.

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Reply #136 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 11:30am

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So basically, you can't understand why human beings would get greedy and want to make a profit for profit's sake.

Did someone steal the money Gandalf? That would be criminal wouldn't it? I am asking why the AFIC would behave like this. So should you.

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Apparently FD hasn't heard of the gigantic global corporate entity known as the Catholic Church.

The catholic church runs plenty of schools in Australia that recieve government funding. I am not aware of any of them running foul of the "not for profit" requirement.

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Meanwhile, everyone else is simply saying such opportunistic profiteering at the expense of children's education was wrong and want to make sure it doesn't happen again

By not asking why it happened? If your response is anything to go by, I would expect the same thing to happen again if they were given more money. Have you seen anything that makes you think otherwise? Or are you just giving them the benefit of the doubt because they are Muslims?

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Re: Islamic school corruption
Reply #137 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am

FD demands to know why immoral people act immorally. Personally, I'd just prefer to remove them from a position from where they can immorally profiteer off children's education - rather than demand they explain their immoral mindset. What exactly do you have in mind FD? Lie them down on the couch? Psychoanalyse them?

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 11:30am:

The catholic church runs plenty of schools in Australia that recieve government funding. I am not aware of any of them running foul of the "not for profit" requirement.

You are presumably also not aware of the much publisised protection racket of pedophiles and bullying of victims - as part of a ruthless campaign to ensure their precious profits are never used to pay for any sort of meaningful compensation for pedophile victims.

Did you ever think to ask them why, or do you think the answer is kinda self-explanatory and not really the point?

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Reply #138 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 12:36pm

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FD demands to know why immoral people act immorally.

Is this what you think of the AFIC? What is a religious organisation going to do with profits anyway? Pay out the shareholders?

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Personally, I'd just prefer to remove them from a position from where they can immorally profiteer off children's education

This almost sounds like finger pointing. Who is "them"?

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What exactly do you have in mind FD? Lie them down on the couch? Psychoanalyse them?

Here's an idea. Let's find out what the AFIC thinks is so much more important than educating Muslim school children. I realise, given that they are Muslims, it may take a while to get the answer out of them, but the fist step is to ask, rather than insisting the question itself is unreasonable.

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You are presumably also not aware of the much publisised protection racket of pedophiles and bullying of victims - as part of a ruthless campaign to ensure their precious profits are never used to pay for any sort of meaningful compensation for pedophile victims. Did you ever think to ask them why, or do you think the answer is kinda self-explanatory and not really the point?

I do not think the catholic church pays out shareholders, or that it protects priests to protect profits. The AFIC on the other hand does not make a lot of sense. You insist it is obvious they would operate for a profit, but what is a religious organisation going to do with profit other than plough it back into the work they do? Are you saying some of them probably pocketed the money?

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Re: Islamic school corruption
Reply #139 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 12:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

FD demands to know why immoral people act immorally. Personally, I'd just prefer to remove them from a position from where they can immorally profiteer off children's education - rather than demand they explain their immoral mindset. What exactly do you have in mind FD? Lie them down on the couch? Psychoanalyse them?

FD wants to ask them lots of questions, but he can't so he's asking you instead.

The simplest explanation for the funds is the one reported in the original article: AFIC are operating as a business. They're trying to grow and set up more schools. And they're doing this by billing ridiculous fees and putting that money into the organization.

FD's just wondering whether this is terrorism - a worthwhile question, shurely.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49836 At my desk.	Re: Islamic school corruption Reply #140 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 1:34pm Where does the original article say they are trying to grow and set up more schools?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97574	Re: Islamic school corruption Reply #141 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 1:39pm freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Where does the original article say they are trying to grow and set up more schools? Where does the original article say they're funding terrorism?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49836 At my desk.	Re: Islamic school corruption Reply #142 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 1:51pm Ah.
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Re: Islamic school corruption
Reply #143 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 3:55pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 12:49pm:

The simplest explanation for the funds is the one reported in the original article: AFIC are operating as a business. They're trying to grow and set up more schools. And they're doing this by billing ridiculous fees and putting that money into the organization.

Nonsense K - why on earth would a religious organisation want to make a profit?? Have you ever heard of anything so absurd??

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49836 At my desk.	Re: Islamic school corruption Reply #144 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 4:17pm Gandalf, who does the profit from Islamic organisations go to?
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Re: Islamic school corruption
Reply #145 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 5:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 3:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 12:49pm:

The simplest explanation for the funds is the one reported in the original article: AFIC are operating as a business. They're trying to grow and set up more schools. And they're doing this by billing ridiculous fees and putting that money into the organization.

Nonsense K - why on earth would a religious organisation want to make a profit?? Have you ever heard of anything so absurd??

Good point, it couldn’t possibly be that. It makes much more sense that a religious organisation would fund terrorism.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97574	Re: Islamic school corruption Reply #146 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 5:29pm freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 4:17pm: Gandalf, who does the profit from Islamic organisations go to? You’d better answer this one, G. You must know the answer by now.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamic school corruption Reply #147 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 7:00pm do they start with T?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97574	Re: Islamic school corruption Reply #148 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 7:26pm polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 7:00pm: do they start with T? I’m not sure. I think FD knows the answer, but he probably won’t say. Where does the money from Muslim organisations go, FD? We’re curious.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49836 At my desk.	Re: Islamic school corruption Reply #149 - Feb 18^th, 2016 at 7:56pm Do Muslims typically expect their religious organisations to act like unethical profit seeking businesses?
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