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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	'...CO2 Rocketed to 405.6 ppm Yesterday...' Feb 8^th, 2016 at 12:35pm Atmospheric CO2 Rocketed to 405.6 ppm Yesterday — A Level not Seen in 15 Million Years http://robertscribbler.com/ Posted by: Colorado Bob \| February 07, 2016 at 22:24 source: comments section, http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2016/01/-3rd-clisap-workshop-arctic-and-permafros...
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Reply #1 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 12:49pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

Atmospheric CO2 Rocketed to 405.6 ppm Yesterday — A Level not Seen in 15 Million Years

http://robertscribbler.com/

Posted by: Colorado Bob | February 07, 2016 at 22:24

source: comments section, http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2016/01/-3rd-clisap-workshop-arctic-and-permafros...

are you sure?

I wonder where all this CO2 is coming from?

Sounds very odd to me.

Perhaps the Mini Ice Age can assist with explaining this?

I will need to read some more stuff from Dr Sircus's web site and get back to you

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21592 Gender:	Re: '...CO2 Rocketed to 405.6 ppm Yesterday...' Reply #2 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 2:27pm Temperature precedes CO2
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Reply #3 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 4:06pm

lee wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 2:27pm:

Temperature precedes CO2

lee you should try to understand what is actually happening with the science and its underlying mechanisms before you repeat AGW denialist spin.

This statement is selective spin.

Your choice of word "precedes" is deliberate in order to imply a causal effect for the current CO2 rise.

This particular observation over long time periods in Earths history, is referred to as a "time lag" between temperature rise and CO2 increase

Do you want me to provide a link for you to read the credible scientific explanation of this "time lag"?

It will provide you will ample opportunity to apologise

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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: '...CO2 Rocketed to 405.6 ppm Yesterday...' Reply #4 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 4:08pm lee wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 2:27pm: Temperature precedes CO2 That's not the whole truth though. increasing CO2 levels become both the cause and effect of further warming.
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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: '...CO2 Rocketed to 405.6 ppm Yesterday...' Reply #5 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 4:11pm Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 12:49pm: I wonder where all this CO2 is coming from? Sounds very odd to me. Maybe it's the hot spell. People drinking more fizzy drinks.
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Reply #6 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 5:20pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

Atmospheric CO2 Rocketed to 405.6 ppm Yesterday — A Level not Seen in 15 Million Years

http://robertscribbler.com/

Posted by: Colorado Bob | February 07, 2016 at 22:24

source: comments section, http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2016/01/-3rd-clisap-workshop-arctic-and-permafros...

Don't worry numb nuts its not the end of the world just yet.

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180 YEARS OF ATMOSPHERIC CO2 GAS ANALYSIS
BY CHEMICAL METHODS
by
Ernst-Georg Beck

3. CO2 MEASUREMENTS OF THE BACKGROUND BEFORE 1958

This tropospheric CO2 concentration from about 5 km height is the CO2 background
postulated by Keeling and the IPCC as stable in nature and rising since industrial time
by burning of fossil fuels.
The Mauna Loa measurements initiated by Keeling show a rise of the background
since 1958 until today. In fact the CO2 concentration has been measured in the upper
troposphere since the end of the 19th century by dozens of balloon flights and after the
World War II by rockets. A literature research revealed [23] 63 single values since 1894
–1973, from which 18 yearly averages can be calculated for heights of 1 –50 Km
(stratosphere). The resulting graph is shown in figure 4. In most cases cryogen
condensation had been used to separate CO2 from air using absorption in alkaline
solution, by IR spectroscopy afterwards. A pronounced peak during the 30s of the 20th
century is noticeable. The modern CO2 concentration is therefore not unique for
thousands of years, as is stated repeatedly. This confirms the analysis by chemical
methods near ground since 1812, which also show a maximum during 1930–1945 [19].

Read the rest here.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/08_Beck-2.pdf

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21592 Gender:	Re: '...CO2 Rocketed to 405.6 ppm Yesterday...' Reply #7 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:26pm John_Taverner wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 4:08pm: lee wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 2:27pm: Temperature precedes CO2 That's not the whole truth though. increasing CO2 levels become both the cause and effect of further warming. At what level does the magic gas take control?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21592 Gender:	Re: '...CO2 Rocketed to 405.6 ppm Yesterday...' Reply #8 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:27pm Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 4:06pm: Do you want me to provide a link for you to read the credible scientific explanation of this "time lag"? It will provide you will ample opportunity to apologise You don't need to ask my permission.
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Reply #9 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:42pm

lee wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

lee wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 2:27pm:

Temperature precedes CO2

That's not the whole truth though. increasing CO2 levels become both the cause and effect of further warming.

At what level does the magic gas take control?

I realise that with your grasp of science, it must appear to be magic. This is probably the simplest explanation I can find on the web. If you don't believe that CO2 absorbs Long Wave Infra Red, then go and argue the point with an Infrared Spectrophotometer. Grin

I don't know. Maybe there has been a mass conspiracy ever since the IR spectrophotometer was invented and they just made it appear like CO2 absorbs and re-emits Infrared.

Do you think that could be the reason?

http://scied.ucar.edu/carbon-dioxide-absorbs-and-re-emits-infrared-radiation

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Reply #10 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:06pm

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

I realise that with your grasp of science, it must appear to be magic. This is probably the simplest explanation I can find on the web. If you don't believe that CO2 absorbs Long Wave Infra Red, then go and argue the point with an Infrared Spectrophotometer

Yep. CO2 absorbs and re-emits IR frequency. There is a slight lag. Now tell us why the CO2 is trapped. Especially when CO2 IR bandwidth is also concurrent in the water vapour, which of course forms the major part of GHG's.

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Reply #11 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:17pm

lee wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

I realise that with your grasp of science, it must appear to be magic. This is probably the simplest explanation I can find on the web. If you don't believe that CO2 absorbs Long Wave Infra Red, then go and argue the point with an Infrared Spectrophotometer

Yep. CO2 absorbs and re-emits IR frequency. There is a slight lag.

CO2 absorbs and re-emits LWIR practically instantaneously. How much of a lag do you mean?

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Now tell us why the CO2 is trapped.

What on Earth are you talking about?

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Especially when CO2 IR bandwidth is also concurrent in the water vapour, which of course forms the major part of GHG's.

This is true, except in the upper stratosphere where the water concentration is extremely low.

Now tell me. What is the CO2 concentration in the upper stratosphere? How does this differ from the troposphere?

What's wrong with the diagram on the link I gave you? It should be obvious if you understand the basics.

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Reply #12 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:35pm

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

Now tell us why the CO2 is trapped.

What on Earth are you talking about?

Sorry. CO2 traps the heat.

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

This is true, except in the upper stratosphere where the water concentration is extremely low.

Now tell me. What is the CO2 concentration in the upper stratosphere? How does this differ from the troposphere?

For some strange reason people seem to believe that GHG's have different properties depending on where they are in the atmosphere. But they can;t explain it.

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Reply #13 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 8:10pm

lee wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

Now tell us why the CO2 is trapped.

What on Earth are you talking about?

Sorry. CO2 traps the heat.

So do you want to rephrase your question?

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John_Taverner wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

This is true, except in the upper stratosphere where the water concentration is extremely low.

Now tell me. What is the CO2 concentration in the upper stratosphere? How does this differ from the troposphere?

For some strange reason people seem to believe that GHG's have different properties depending on where they are in the atmosphere. But they can;t explain it.

You haven't answered my questions. Greenhouse gases have the same properties. Only the concentration varies in some cases. I'll try to explain anything you want. (Just this once. )

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Reply #14 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 8:33pm

lee wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

lee wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 2:27pm:

Temperature precedes CO2

That's not the whole truth though. increasing CO2 levels become both the cause and effect of further warming.

At what level does the magic gas take control?

have you worked out why there is a time lag in the ice core data with respect to Temperature and CO2 concentration?

Have you accepted the reality that in the past, humans were not building and operating coal fired power stations and extracting oil and gas for combustion?

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