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boxy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 400 Gender:	Re: Now they want GM trees! Reply #30 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 11:37pm Square tomatoes? I want one! Ook!
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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Now they want GM trees! Reply #31 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 11:46pm ...more like rounded cubic tomatoes (saves on packaging and ideal for using in bread sandwiches) They can be grown by hand by using physical restrictions or there are GM versions
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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Now they want GM trees! Reply #32 - Feb 6^th, 2016 at 11:48pm try our new purple tomatoes
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boxy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 400 Gender:	Re: Now they want GM trees! Reply #33 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 12:09am Salivating here... why don't they stock these at Woolies?
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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Now they want GM trees! Reply #34 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 10:01am ....you can buy seeds for Purple Prince Russian tomatoes and Cherokee purple tomatoes on e-bay. there are natural variants as well as the freak GM toxicised Frankenstein stench varieties
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Now they want GM trees! Reply #35 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 11:02am Cherokee Purple tomatoes are the best slicing tomatoes! Big and meaty!
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Now they want GM trees! Reply #36 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 2:27pm boxy wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 12:09am: Salivating here... why don't they stock these at Woolies? Because they aren't attractive
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Reply #37 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 3:18pm

miketrees wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 11:26am:

I'd be interested in Mike's opinion on GM organisms.

Thank you John, if you meant me.

My view.

Every GM crop should be judged on its own merit, this Orwellian all GM bad all organic good is unhelpful.

There will be useful harmless GM that will be a great benefit to humanity and the environment we should not burn them like witches in Salem.
I think there could be some magnificent work done with salt tolerance in grain crops just for starters

There will be GM that do pose a threat (herbicide resistance that could arm weed species through cross pollination)

I have a great deal of sympathy for organic growers who get their crops contaminated by GM pollen or seed and therefore get penalised.
As a land owner I can not use chemicals that cross fences without fear of having to compensate for any damage done.
I don't see why letting DNA escape my property should be any different.

I would have strengthened the laws on who had a financial liability if GM genes escaped and caused harm.
And that liability should be with the plant breeder or originator of the crop and not passed onto the end user ,,, who should also carry some liability.

That comes pretty close to my views on the subject.

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Reply #38 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 3:22pm

boxy wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

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On these proposed GMO tree plantations, there are essentially no other plants, insects, birds, or wildlife — just rows upon rows of cloned Frankentrees growing at accelerated rates on a crust of dead, lifeless soil above dwindling groundwater reserves

I got this far into the article, and it became clear it was a biased rant pushing an agenda, with little or no regard to a balanced investigation of a complex subject.

Take out the bullshit "Frankentree" word, and every criticism can be equally applied to any intensive crop/plantation, and even then it overstates the truth.

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You don’t think relying on single GM varieties leaves us open to a new pest or disease wiping out crops in a wide area? Like the Irish Potato Famine.

We've been relying on a few dominant varieties of highly productive plants to feed us for decades (if not centuries) now. The fact that some of them are GM in no way changes this.

The whole site is pushing an agenda. The section on sweeteners is equally bullshit.

Chimp: Give your missus some of these next weekend.

Nice.

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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: Now they want GM trees! Reply #39 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 3:26pm Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 10:01am: there are natural variants as well as the freak GM toxicised Frankenstein stench varieties http://www.informarexresistere.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/541031_457894070926... They are not approved for use in Australia, but maybe you can get them on EBay.
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Reply #40 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 3:31pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 11:46pm:

...more like rounded cubic tomatoes (saves on packaging and ideal for using in bread sandwiches)

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4d/c3/9c/4dc39cf23cb2f5f42c3477ccb4393...

They can be grown by hand by using physical restrictions or there are GM versions

What was really disgusting were those commercially grown varieties that you used to be able to buy in any supermarket. They looked very pale - almost pink. Nowadays, more natural looking truss tomatoes seem to be the go. At least they taste better. That's probably because the others didn't sell well.

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