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Reply #15 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 3:41pm
 
Genes escape readily—rye grass around GM canola for example.


I dont know what you are getting at here?
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Reply #16 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 3:43pm
 
Got a link to a court case in Australia, where the seed producer has sued a farmer for having their crop contaminated with GM from a neighbour?
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Reply #17 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 4:08pm
 
No, I dont have a link for that.
The link I posted was to clear up some possible mis information.
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Reply #18 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 4:21pm
 
No worries. The question wasn't initially to you anyway, as your posts came while I was reading/replying to Monk. I can't remember any court cases (even internationally) that are as he describes. It beggars belief.
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Reply #19 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 4:40pm
 
miketrees wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 11:26am:
I'd be interested in Mike's opinion on GM organisms.

Thank you John, if you meant me.

My view.

Every GM crop should be judged on its own merit, this Orwellian all GM bad all organic good is unhelpful.

There will be useful harmless GM that will be a great benefit  to humanity and the environment we should not burn them like witches in Salem.
I think there could be some magnificent work done with salt tolerance in grain crops just for starters

There will be GM that do pose a threat (herbicide resistance that could arm weed species through cross pollination)

I have a great deal of sympathy for organic growers who get their crops contaminated by GM pollen or seed and therefore get penalised.
As a land owner I can not use chemicals that cross fences without fear of having to compensate for any damage done.
I don't see why letting DNA escape my property should be any different.

I would have strengthened the laws on who had a financial liability if GM genes escaped and caused harm.
And that liability should be with the plant breeder or originator of the crop
and not passed onto the end user ,,, who should also carry some liability.



Yes, if someone uses a GM seed and they do not keep it contained, that is their liability.
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Reply #20 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 4:44pm
 
boxy wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 4:21pm:
No worries. The question wasn't initially to you anyway, as your posts came while I was reading/replying to Monk. I can't remember any court cases (even internationally) that are as he describes. It beggars belief.



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..............n 1998, two years after the introduction of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) in Canada, the Schmeisers received a lawsuit notice from Monsanto which said that they were growing Roundup Ready canola without a licence from Monsanto and that this was a patent infringement. Monsanto had a patent on a gene to make GM canola resistant to the glyphosate herbicide in its formulation Roundup. This came as a complete surprise to the Schmeisers who immediately realised that all their research and development on canola over the past fifty years had been contaminated by Monsanto’s GMOs. They felt that they had a case against Monsanto for liability and the damages possibly caused to them, and that was the beginning of [1] Schmeiser’s Battle for the Seed (SiS 19). And 10 years on, the Schmeisers have been invited to London to tell their full story [2].

The Schmeisers stood up to Monsanto’s claims of patent infringement in the Federal Court with just one judge and no jury. The pre-trial took two years to go to court in which Monsanto claimed that despite having no knowledge of Percy Schmeiser ever having obtained any GM seed, he must have used their seed on his 1 030 acres of land because ninety-eight percent of the land was GM contaminated. And, because the Schmeisers had contaminated their own seed supply with Monsanto seed, ownership of the Schmeisers seed supply reverted to Monsanto under patent law..............


https://thegranddisillusion.wordpress.com/monsanto-vs-farmer/
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Reply #21 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 5:30pm
 
There was a case here, and I am willing to spend a bit of time googling it if you like.
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Reply #22 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 5:37pm
 
miketrees wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 11:26am:
I'd be interested in Mike's opinion on GM organisms.

Thank you John, if you meant me.

My view.

Every GM crop should be judged on its own merit, this Orwellian all GM bad all organic good is unhelpful.

There will be useful harmless GM that will be a great benefit  to humanity and the environment we should not burn them like witches in Salem.
I think there could be some magnificent work done with salt tolerance in grain crops just for starters

There will be GM that do pose a threat (herbicide resistance that could arm weed species through cross pollination)

I have a great deal of sympathy for organic growers who get their crops contaminated by GM pollen or seed and therefore get penalised.
As a land owner I can not use chemicals that cross fences without fear of having to compensate for any damage done.
I don't see why letting DNA escape my property should be any different.

I would have strengthened the laws on who had a financial liability if GM genes escaped and caused harm.
And that liability should be with the plant breeder or originator of the crop and not passed onto the end user ,,, who should also carry some liability.

Slippery Slope theory is the counter to the bleeting of "run for the hills- it's Orwellian!"
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Reply #23 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 6:06pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 4:44pm:
boxy wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 4:21pm:
No worries. The question wasn't initially to you anyway, as your posts came while I was reading/replying to Monk. I can't remember any court cases (even internationally) that are as he describes. It beggars belief.



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..............n 1998, two years after the introduction of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) in Canada, the Schmeisers received a lawsuit notice from Monsanto which said that they were growing Roundup Ready canola without a licence from Monsanto and that this was a patent infringement. Monsanto had a patent on a gene to make GM canola resistant to the glyphosate herbicide in its formulation Roundup. This came as a complete surprise to the Schmeisers who immediately realised that all their research and development on canola over the past fifty years had been contaminated by Monsanto’s GMOs. They felt that they had a case against Monsanto for liability and the damages possibly caused to them, and that was the beginning of [1] Schmeiser’s Battle for the Seed (SiS 19). And 10 years on, the Schmeisers have been invited to London to tell their full story [2].

The Schmeisers stood up to Monsanto’s claims of patent infringement in the Federal Court with just one judge and no jury. The pre-trial took two years to go to court in which Monsanto claimed that despite having no knowledge of Percy Schmeiser ever having obtained any GM seed, he must have used their seed on his 1 030 acres of land because ninety-eight percent of the land was GM contaminated. And, because the Schmeisers had contaminated their own seed supply with Monsanto seed, ownership of the Schmeisers seed supply reverted to Monsanto under patent law..............


https://thegranddisillusion.wordpress.com/monsanto-vs-farmer/

Yes, that's probably the most well known case, but it's not what Monk describes, where an organic farmer is sued because his crop is contaminated.

The courts found that the Schmeisers deliberately sprayed a crop to select the round-up ready plants, and then harvested and stored the resulting totally GM seed, and kept it separated, specifically to get the Monsanto genetics.

I said earlier that I feel that this is a step too far, although the Schmeisers didn't do themselves any favours, going out of their way to capture the genetics. I believe that farmers who buy seed stock (which the Schmeisers didn't do) should have the right to keep, and breed on with seed they have purchased.
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Reply #24 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 6:07pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 5:30pm:
There was a case here, and I am willing to spend a bit of time googling it if you like.

What? Are you waiting for permission Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 6:16pm
 
OK, I will spend the time musically farting instead.
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Reply #26 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 10:25pm
 
Good choice. Probably a more productive use of your time.
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Reply #27 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 10:52pm
 
Its one thing to naturally select a specific grain of wheat to exploit a particular property and another thing all together to splice a gene from a species of fish into a tomato plant. (see GM tomato which is resistant to frost damage because it has had a flounder gene spliced into its normal genetic sequencing)

What will be the effects on human health and the environment of this GM tomato?

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Reply #28 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 11:00pm
 
Tomatoes are used to test GM techniques/viability. Few, if any, GM tomatoes are actually sold to consumers.
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Reply #29 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 11:25pm
 
boxy wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
Tomatoes are used to test GM techniques/viability. Few, if any, GM tomatoes are actually sold to consumers.


there are plenty of Gm tomatoes on the market

There is even the square tomato which was designed to fit more efficiently into square cardboard boxes.

You should apologise and implement a self banishment period of 48 hours
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