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Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats
Reply #45 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 12:45pm

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

I'll interpret that response as you "don't know". It's really quite simple:

I'll just resize this picture.

You just proved you know nothing about accuracy or precision.

Your pistol shooting also needs work.

You can't be helped. There is no point in discussing the finer points of papers with you when you don't (refuse to) even understand the basics.

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Reply #46 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 12:46pm

lee wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

So the "scientifically accepted practice" is to make adjustments that are not replicable?

I was taught if it is not replicable it is not science.

hahahaha

That old chestnut again. You really have been reading too many psuedo scientific AGW denial blogs.

Data can never be replicated (unless you have a time machine). It is the results that have to be repeatable for it to be science.

So we can call that "if it is not replicable it is not science." just another example of the dishonesty of the global warming deniers.

It is not the data which needs to be repeatable, it is the results that need to be.

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21646 Gender:	Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats Reply #47 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:24pm John_Taverner wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 12:45pm: You can't be helped. There is no point in discussing the finer points of papers with you when you don't (refuse to) even understand the basics. You mean the basics like error bars in Huang and Karl? Significance 0.10?
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Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats
Reply #48 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:29pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Data can never be replicated (unless you have a time machine). It is the results that have to be repeatable for it to be science.

Right. Now show how BoM can replicate adjustments (the results). Adjustments are not the data.

How can BoM repeat an adjustment, the expert judgment, the person's thought processes?

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Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats
Reply #49 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:40pm

lee wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Data can never be replicated (unless you have a time machine). It is the results that have to be repeatable for it to be science.

Right. Now show how BoM can replicate adjustments (the results). Adjustments are not the data.

How can BoM repeat an adjustment, the expert judgment, the person's thought processes?

is taking into account for "background noise" or vibrations etc, an adjustment of the raw data?

corrections and adjustments are an integral part of the measurement and detection process. They occur in all areas of science. Your GPS system would be inaccurate to the tune of kilometers if it wasnt ADJUSTED for relativistic effects.

are you suggesting Climate Scientists and any scientific professionals involved in climate science are forbidden under "lee's" LAW to make adjustments?

Apologise and self ban

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21646 Gender:	Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats Reply #50 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:42pm Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:40pm: is taking into account for "background noise" or vibrations etc, an adjustment of the raw data? corrections and adjustments are an integral part of the measurement and detection process. They occur in all areas of science. The argument was about replication.
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Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats
Reply #51 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:49pm

lee wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:40pm:

is taking into account for "background noise" or vibrations etc, an adjustment of the raw data?

corrections and adjustments are an integral part of the measurement and detection process. They occur in all areas of science.

The argument was about replication.

your level of deceit in this forum requires an apology and an appropriate self banishment period.

Dont try and weasel your way out of your little predicament now.

just apologise and leave for 48 hours

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats Reply #52 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 5:27pm The anthropogenic global warming train has greased many departments. It's really sad to what lengths these departments go to, to keep their heads above water. Read the rest here http://joannenova.com.au/2015/08/the-bom-homogenizing-the-heck-out-of-australian...
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Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats
Reply #53 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 6:01pm

Oh dear if it isnt good old sooky sooky batman.

Tell everyone in here how much money is used to lubricate the fossil fuel industry, the power sectors and the transport industry. Grin

Compare it to the money spent on climate change and alternative energy. Cheesy

Why do world governments hand over nearly half a trillion dollars every year to the fossil fuel and mining sectors as subsidies and grants??

Poor oil and coal industry - it needs the tax payer to foot a lot of its bills and then doesnt take any responsibility for any of the damage it inflicts on human health and the environment.

Poor poor sooky sooky batman he needs to defend the poor old fossil fuel industry.

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Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats
Reply #54 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 6:08pm

lee wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

You can't be helped. There is no point in discussing the finer points of papers with you when you don't (refuse to) even understand the basics.

You mean the basics like error bars in Huang and Karl? Significance 0.10?

I mean the basics like precision and accuracy, which you have yet to master.

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Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats
Reply #55 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 6:10pm

Ajax wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 5:27pm:

l]http://joannenova.com.au/2015/08/the-bom-homogenizing-the-heck-out-of-australian-temperature-records/[/url]

So you don't believe that data should be processed in any way shape or form? Grin

- Not even to remove known effects that have nothing to do with what you are attempting to measure?

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21646 Gender:	Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats Reply #56 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 6:30pm John_Taverner wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 6:08pm: I mean the basics like precision and accuracy, which you have yet to master. Yes, but accuracy includes error bars. And you showed in your picture that your grasp of accuracy and precision is limited to static targets.
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Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats
Reply #57 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 8:08pm

lee wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 6:08pm:

I mean the basics like precision and accuracy, which you have yet to master.

Yes, but accuracy includes error bars. And you showed in your picture that your grasp of accuracy and precision is limited to static targets.

groan (headpalm)

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21646 Gender:	Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats Reply #58 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 8:13pm John_Taverner wrote on Feb 13^th, 2016 at 8:08pm: groan (headpalm) I can;t help it your so dense.
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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: New UK Met 5 year forecats Reply #59 - Feb 13^th, 2016 at 8:17pm I was tempted to quote that last post of yours and add it to my signature, but you wouldn't get it. "Accuracy includes error bars." Interesting.
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