Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print
God, Obsolete In Courtrooms (Read 1767 times)
____
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male
God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:20pm
 
The South Australian government is considering legal reform that would scrap religious-based oaths in courtrooms and replace it with a non-religious witness promise - in a move that would mark a nationwide first.


Legal reform being considered by the South Australian government would remove references to God and Allah from court oaths in favour of a non-religious witness promise.

South Australian Attorney-General John Rau said he would be carefully considering the proposal, which is one of 11 recommendations in a report by the South Australian Law Reform Institute.

The measure, if adopted, would be a nationwide first.

The state government had asked the South Australian Law Reform Institute to investigate current courtroom and tribunal practices for witness oaths and affirmations, and make suggestions for improvement.

A meaningful oath?
The Institute's Director and Dean of the Adelaide Law School, Professor John Williams said swearing on the Bible had little meaning for people outside of the Christian faith.

But he warned adopting a uniform affirmation would not stop people lying in courts.

"First of all it should be in legislation, currently it just exists in practice. And then we suggest that a judicial officer or a judge should say to somebody: look you're about to make an important promise to tell the truth. It is significant to this process, do you understand? And then we would ask in very clear words: do you promise to tell the truth in this tribunal?" he said.

The report took into consideration a range of submissions.

"We went out to different communities, faith communities, we went out to multicultural communities and asked them whether or not the current oath or affirmation was serving our needs and also to judicial officers to ask what's been the experiences in court, " Professor Williams said.

"The overwhelming view is that the current language and the current approaches were not working."

Professor Williams said there were various concerns.

"People have to publically say whether they are a believer or not and for some people, even people of faith that's a choice they don't want to be making. They don't believe it's an appropriate thing to do.

“In other words, [it’s] the Church and State issue that this is a secular institution. No-one else in the court is asked to declare what their beliefs are."

The other issue highlighted by the report is that "the language is at a level and a difficulty that may not help people to understand the significance of what they're doing, " added Professor Williams.

Call for reform to be adopted nationally
Greens NSW MP and Spokesperson for Multiculturalism, Dr Mehreen Faruqi welcomed the proposal, saying it should be implemented nationwide.

“This is a great initiative from South Australia and certainly something that should be replicated across the country," Dr Faruqi said.

“Separation of religion and the state should be an essential part of our democratic institutions. In a multicultural society, a single non-religious oath to tell the truth that can be used by everyone should be all that we need, " she added.

Under current South Australian laws, witnesses can take an oath by swearing to tell the truth while holding a copy of the Bible, or they can state the affirmation “I do solemnly and truly affirm”.

The report makes 11 recommendations, including:

- A single form of witness promise be adopted for use in South Australia (currently there are multiple options available);

- The promise to tell the truth to be in the form of a question, not a phrase recited by the witness;

- It should be in plain English, with clear warnings about the penalties for not telling the truth;

- The promise should be non-religious in nature; and

- That the legal ritual be prescribed in law.



http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/02/02/sa-government-considers-scrapping-...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 89922
Proud Old White Australian Man
Gender: male
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #1 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:43pm
 
Aye, there be summat in water dahn there, so 'elp me God!

First wanting 50/50 appointment of women in all jobs, meaning that a minimum of 25% of the workforce will miss out on any chance of a spot in the corporation, most of whom will be single while most of those women will be married, thus continuing the degeneration of this society into the ills of the MADIF, with dual income families prospering, single income families perpetually striving to catch up, costs rising to suit dual income families, wage rises becoming a necessity for the single but then passing on to the dual, and thus creating no solution to a never-ending problem of rising costs of living and perpetual hidden inflation ... and now this!  No God in the Courts!

In Godless Russia having 50% women in everything ended up with a mass of new peasantry with little to no hope and compelled to live a hand to mouth existence....  in Ukraine people still hunt in the glowing landside of Chernobyl... not other choice if they want to eat....

All hail Dog.. all hail Dog....

Social scientists and other lunatics have plenty to answer for in the current millennium....
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 39708
Gender: male
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #2 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:47pm
 
An Oath never stopped anyone from lying in Courts when self interest is at stake.  The Cops always went first when they swore "to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."

That was always the first lie in any Trial.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:55pm by Aussie »  
 
IP Logged
 
John_Taverner
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2217
Gender: male
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #3 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:50pm
 
As a fairly active JP, I have not needed to use a Bible for at least 20 years. The affirmation is the default in Queensland for affadavits and Stat. Decs.
Back to top
 
72+Adelaide+Street  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 117577
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #4 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:53pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:50pm:
As a fairly active JP, I have not needed to use a Bible for at least 20 years. The affirmation is the default in Queensland for affadavits and Stat. Decs.



We have a Justice of The Peace with us.   wow
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
double plus good
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5693
Gender: male
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #5 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:59pm
 
Taking Christianity out of the courtroom is a good thing. Does that mean Muslim men can still use their religion to not rise for  women judges? Does that mean all religion will be taken out of the courtroom?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
____
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #6 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:03pm
 
double plus good wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:
Taking Christianity out of the courtroom is a good thing. Does that mean Muslim men can still use their religion to not rise for  women judges? Does that mean all religion will be taken out of the courtroom?



Quote:
would remove references to God and Allah from court oaths
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
matty
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 11055
East Sydney
Gender: male
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #7 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:31pm
 
Just another push for a Godless nation. The return of the Lord Jesus Christ may be closer at hand than thought.
Back to top
 

BILL SHORTEN WILL NEVER BE PM!!!!
 
IP Logged
 
Kiron22
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 896
Gender: male
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #8 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:35pm
 
Last time I held a bible, was when I carved a hole out of the pages so I could hide my gameboy in it to play during religion class.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Its time
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Boot libs out

Posts: 25639
Gender: female
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #9 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:55pm
 
double plus good wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:
Taking Christianity out of the courtroom is a good thing. Does that mean Muslim men can still use their religion to not rise for  women judges? Does that mean all religion will be taken out of the courtroom?


Its a start , bit of luck we get rid of the major instigator in the worlds problems , all religion.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Lisa Jones
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 39047
Sydney
Gender: female
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #10 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:13pm
 
God is obsolete in the courtroom?

That's old news.

The Devil on the other hand ..... Roll Eyes

Back to top
 

If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415)
 
IP Logged
 
issuevoter
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9200
The Great State of Mind
Gender: male
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #11 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:42pm
 
double plus good wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:
Taking Christianity out of the courtroom is a good thing. Does that mean Muslim men can still use their religion to not rise for  women judges? Does that mean all religion will be taken out of the courtroom?


Muzlims will be appeased.
Back to top
 

No political allegiance. No philosophy. No religion.
 
IP Logged
 
____
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #12 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:48pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:42pm:
double plus good wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:
Taking Christianity out of the courtroom is a good thing. Does that mean Muslim men can still use their religion to not rise for  women judges? Does that mean all religion will be taken out of the courtroom?


Muzlims will be appeased.



Christian misogynists have been.


We Christians must face it: the Bible is hugely misogynistic
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10635510/Women-bishops-We-Christian...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
sir prince duke alevine
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 23619
Gender: male
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #13 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:14pm
 
greens aren't consistent. On one hand apparently wearing a burqa is a religious belief and must be upheld. But now you're supporting removing religious rights?  BE CONSISTENT.
Back to top
 

Disclaimer for Mothra per POST so it is forever acknowledged: Saying 'Islam' or 'Muslims' doesn't mean ALL muslims. This does not target individual muslims who's opinion I am not aware of.
 
IP Logged
 
Lisa Jones
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 39047
Sydney
Gender: female
Re: God, Obsolete In Courtrooms
Reply #14 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:22pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:14pm:
greens aren't consistent. On one hand apparently wearing a burqa is a religious belief and must be upheld. But now you're supporting removing religious rights?  BE CONSISTENT.


Well they are consistent. It's just that it's in the area of being inconsistent.
Back to top
 

If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415)
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print