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Reply #45 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:51am
 
I always said her (to me) genuine approach to Family violence as opposed to the current dealing of 'domestic violence' with its presumption of man as perpetrator, was suborned by the politically correct propaganda mob and she was essentially paid to shut up and push their line exclusively.

Now we see the same nonsense from the AOTY about women this and women that.... I note the head of the DFA is a Major General woman..... seems to be no problem there and she is ideally suited, may even be future Head of the Army, fulfilling my prediction in my WW IV series that a Black American Woman would be Head of the US Joint Chiefs at the outbreak of war in 2041....

History following fiction there.......
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Reply #46 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:02am
 
random wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:48pm:
I support the message that Rosie Batty is delivering but there are darker forces behind what has been done with her.

Abbott decided that it was cheaper to buy her for a year than it was to continue the level of funding to domestic violence reduction.   Even before the Australian of the year crown, they did not need someone of her caliber speaking against them, claiming rightly that the system was broken and had failed her and her son.  So Abbott made her an offer she could not refuse.

http://www.dailylife.com.au/content/dam/images/1/3/w/2/j/d/image.related.article...
PM Tony Abbott with Rosie Batty.

Rosie Batty now knows first hand that the federal government is deceiving Australians about domestic violence.

The Australian Of the Year says she has been told repeatedly by both the Prime Minister and the Minister assisting him, Michaelia Cash, that there are no front line domestic violence services being cut.

But she has just returned from Mildura and seen with her own eyes that the one full-time lawyer specialising in intervention orders and family violence will finish work on June 30.

"I've been told repeatedly there are no front line services being cut. This is my first journey into the country and that tells me different."
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She has a list of many more.

In Victoria alone, 13 community legal centres will have to cut legal services. Just one, Yarra Ranges CLC, was saved from the deep cuts – the result of the local MP Tony Smith personally advocating to the Attorney-General George Brandis.

"I stood next to the federal member who represents Mildura [Andrew Broad] and I wonder what he has done to advocate for his town," she said.

These cuts are being played out all over Australia. If only Rosie Batty could take the Prime Minister with her to see what's happening in these centres.


I'd have to say, having read her personal story on the events that killed her son... that the system was working as well as it could... she herself at that time had no issue with her estranged and strange husband playing cricket with their son, and nobody expected that the insane father would decide to kill his own son with a cricket bat and then seek death.

NO system could prevent such a thing happening, and emotive re-readings of history here will not get away from the simple and undeniable fact that NOBODY anticipated the events.

The system was NOT broke.

A continuation of the current purge against men on zero evidence and proof will only result in further escalation of the atmosphere of violence within which this entire issue lives, moves and breathes its one-sided, politically intent on power exchange in society to women zombie life........

It's time for a thorough review of the entire gamut of issues within this issue, and a proper rendering of them - AFTER a full apology to those men falsely afflicted by this current insanity....  it is NOT better that ten innocent men hang than that one possibly guilty one go free...... and to even contemplate such an approach is to hand to those intent on excessive power and control within our society a free run.

Again - NOBODY anticipated the events that killed Rosie Batty's son.... the system was NOT broke.. and those tragic events should not be used as a football to hand more power and control and use of violence by the State and by women to ensure control over men in this society.
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Reply #47 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:21am
 
... wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:45am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:26am:
mothra wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:15am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 7:57am:
mothra wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 3:50am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm:
domestic violence should be handled like this.

1 woman is victim of domestic violence.
2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends
3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator
4 here endeth the lesson


Straight from the horse's arse.




its a simple fix.




Simple, indeed.

More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise.

"simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person."


for most people violence is unneccessary.
for a small %, being taken to the police station for a good flogging is not only neccessary but its therapeutic. the perpetrator will probably thank the burly desk sergent in the long run for helping him get his deranged and scrambled brain back under control.

for some guys , who are out of control with rage and anger, a good serving of corporal punishment , reboots the computer in their brain and they feel relieved.

to deny a perpetrator this therapy is both cruel and unusual punishment



You've really got no idea at all, have you?



Yawn,

are you willing to admit that Prison is

1 a very harsh and brutal environment
2 totally based on a peck order with prisoners at the top of the peck order dealing out abuse in a very nasty and dysfunctional way
3 that society understands that this is EXACTLY how a prison runs and puts people in prison , knowing this fact fully.


So, how much more sensible to expose someone to this sort of atmosphere in a

1  controlled
2  non emotional way.

society sends people to prison to be brutalised.

i propose sending people to a set of highly principled and emotionally neutral alpha males , for the purpose of teaching respect for authority and respect for themselves.

who has a better chance of rehabilitating a violent and selfish perpetrator.


1  a team of ex army sergants, ex police sargents and drovers running a "boot camp' with some harsh and challenging conditions

2  the current model.....a team of 20 yo uni graduates in social work or psychology with NO life experience, conducting "chat sessions" in a brutal and animalistic prison setting????




Seriously. No idea.

How do you propose o get these men of high need to the services you em worthy?



well, i cant quite understand what youve written.
you seem to say that i have "no idea"

i would say, putting young 18 yo punks in the prison population instead of a boot camp run by dedicated alpha males, reflects a society that has "no idea"

you need to get past the idea that "alpha males teaching respect to beta males" is something that they get some sort of cheap thrills out of.
you could easily get the right sort of guys, with a spirit of contribution, encouragement and challenge to rehabilitate beta male criminals. (and believe me, most of them would have other  things to do)

a man who, for instance, is violent to a woman is the very worst type of beta male. he needs to be treated "proactively' and assisted to be a real man, by real men.

he does not need to be treated 'reactively' and imprisoned and taught to be even more bitter, twisted, and emotionally chaotic


you're wasting your time - No matter how much you try to explain it, a woman just isn't going to be able to understand the world of men.  We handle business.

The rise of the beta male coincides with the disappearance of the father, because at the fundamental level, a woman can not teach a boy to be a man. 

Of course, once these boys grow to become adults, It becomes their fault that they never got the guidance they needed to become good men, and "something must be done!!!!"



Youre probably right Honky.
I keep hoping for that break thru moment when some of the women (mothra, pansi, gweg) will have a eureka moment.
One tries to be very persistent.
i like to view interacting with mothra as exercising my "will power " muscle.
Like going for a jog, you dont "really" enjoy it, but you enjoy the mastery of "never giving in to the temptation to just give up" Wink


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Reply #48 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:25am
 
cods wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:31am:
isnt boot camp a make or break? aqua.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


can you see all the LAW SUITS coming?? because I can.



i can gaurantee you there are some massive payouts by the taxpayer for people who are physically assaulted in the prison system.
mindful "real men" teaching respect would be unlikely to cause too much damage.

a mixed marshall arts bikie with a brain injury in the general prison population , is quite likely to see an 18 yo punk and king hit him. Your taxes will be paying for the lawsuit cods, i assure you.
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Reply #49 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 10:53am
 
cods wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 7:16am:
Fuzzball wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 3:19pm:
I feel sorry for Rosie Batty, however I do think she should have looked after her son better knowing fully well that his father was a psychopath with extremely violent tendencies. It matters not that she says she 'thought' his violence was directed only at her, and that he would not harm his son, she knew fully well that he was unhinged.

I also think capitalising on her poor son's fate is despicable. 



pretty disgusting AND YOU ARE WRONG..

he threatened time and time again to KILL HER...

Quote:
The officers did stay, and Anderson was arrested and charged. Later, the police apologised to Rosie, saying even they’d found the hulking six footer “really frightening”.

But Anderson was bailed.



he had something like 11 warrants out on him when he killed his son.....

how dare you suggest such a thing...

[urlhttp://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/true-crime-scene/rosie-batty-reveals-her-battle-to-stop-killer-dad-greg-andersons-violence-before-son-lukes-dea][/url]


try reading just a little ... to have some insight into what you are claiming... Angry Angry


Maybe you should 'try' reading my post 'and give your geriatric pie-hole a rest', I realise that your comatose noggin is somewhat of a problem, but it was her son and her responsibility to protect him knowing exactly what she knew about his deranged father.......



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Reply #50 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 1:37pm
 
Only the affluent can afford Justice the rest have to do the best they can.

Thus it has been and under Malcolm Turnbull, rest assured the status quo will remain or even shrink as posters have already pointed out.

You see Malcolm doesn't have a problem with 'sleeping out' for the poor once a year. But it's what he does about it that counts. I can't see that he's done much.
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Reply #51 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 1:45pm
 
That is an outrageous and ignorant assessment to make of Rosie Batty that she 'should have protected him better'.

Let me tell you as an ex Cop, if someone decides they are going to 'come after you'.. Good luck with stopping them unless you have unlimited resources and travel with an armed squad of goons to protect you and your kids.

Because, when a single minded person decides they are going to come for you, trust me on this, chances are they will get you. No matter what you set up.

Rosie's unhinged ex stalked the boy then attacked him when the opportunity came and killed him with a cricket bat.

Some of you sitting in those ivory towers of yours think you're safe.

But if that someone wants to take you out, then you are very likely to go.
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Reply #52 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 1:55pm
 
red baron wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 1:45pm:
That is an outrageous and ignorant assessment to make of Rosie Batty that she 'should have protected him better'.

Let me tell you as an ex Cop, if someone decides they are going to 'come after you'.. Good luck with stopping them unless you have unlimited resources and travel with an armed squad of goons to protect you and your kids.

Because, when a single minded person decides they are going to come for you, trust me on this, chances are they will get you. No matter what you set up.

Rosie's unhinged ex stalked the boy then attacked him when the opportunity came and killed him with a cricket bat.

Some of you sitting in those ivory towers of yours think you're safe.

But if that someone wants to take you out, then you are very likely to go.


I couldn't care less if you are an ex commissioner of police. The simple fact is she was fully aware that her ex/former husband was an imbecilic psychopath. On what f***ing planet would a responsible parent allow their child to go anywhere near a man like that....father or not?

You may consider me 'ignorant' but you must have remained a 'constable' for all of your sorry police career, because anybody with half a brain would know what I am referring to, and know that her son would still alive if she had used basic common sense.
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Reply #53 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 2:57pm
 
I was in the IT industry, escaped now.  There was/is an orgaisation titled 'Women in IT', tasked to increase the percentage of women in that industry.  IMHO all it did was emphasis that they were women, not IT workers, fail.

Same with domestic violence (DV).  We already had laws rendering it illegal to assault another person of any sex, but the focus on DV makes it somehow different to the same man bashing someone at the pub.

I am aware of some of the reasons people, lawmakers think that it is different, but I disagree.  It is just violence that existing laws could deal with.

Continuing to define and treat differently, requiring different laws perpetuates the old view that a man bashing his wife is different to a man bashing a stranger.  Fail.
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Reply #54 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 3:28pm
 
random wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 2:57pm:
I was in the IT industry, escaped now.  There was/is an orgaisation titled 'Women in IT', tasked to increase the percentage of women in that industry.  IMHO all it did was emphasis that they were women, not IT workers, fail.

Same with domestic violence (DV).  We already had laws rendering it illegal to assault another person of any sex, but the focus on DV makes it somehow different to the same man bashing someone at the pub.

I am aware of some of the reasons people, lawmakers think that it is different, but I disagree.  It is just violence that existing laws could deal with.

Continuing to define and treat differently, requiring different laws perpetuates the old view that a man bashing his wife is different to a man bashing a stranger.  Fail.




of course it is.....the trouble with DV is its a HIDDEN VIOLENCE>. its not just the black eye its mental as well...thats what a lot do not understand...

DV usually starts off in a mental way...women tend to think possessiveness ..jealousy.. is love.. it means they care for them more than anyone else....... its when it starts to intrude on one freedoms that it becomes not love but control...and when she start to argue back.. thats when the fist comes in..

well in the violence stage..



there is so much SHAME still attached to DV...

two people involved so someone has to take the blame...and its usually the weaker one....who tries to change and stop making the other angry...

a mother of 5 has just been allegedly killed by her defacto of many years....by all accounts her son asked straight away .. "did dad kill her"..

have those children been living in fear all their lives this was going to happen one day?????????....


Cry Cry Cry


how terrible to explain to children their dad killed their mum...
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Reply #55 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 3:39pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:59pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm:
domestic violence should be handled like this.

1 woman is victim of domestic violence.
2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends
3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator
4 here endeth the lesson


Straight from the horse's arse.




its a simple fix.




Simple, indeed.

More violence is never the answer to violence, no matter how many self-help books tell you otherwise.

"simple: an ignorant, foolish, or gullible person."


for most people violence is unneccessary.
for a small %, being taken to the police station for a good flogging is not only neccessary but its therapeutic. the perpetrator will probably thank the burly desk sergent in the long run for helping him get his deranged and scrambled brain back under control.

for some guys , who are out of control with rage and anger, a good serving of corporal punishment , reboots the computer in their brain and they feel relieved.

to deny a perpetrator this therapy is both cruel and unusual punishment


What century are you from?
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Reply #56 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 6:07pm
 
cods wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 3:28pm:
random wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 2:57pm:
I was in the IT industry, escaped now.  There was/is an orgaisation titled 'Women in IT', tasked to increase the percentage of women in that industry.  IMHO all it did was emphasis that they were women, not IT workers, fail.

Same with domestic violence (DV).  We already had laws rendering it illegal to assault another person of any sex, but the focus on DV makes it somehow different to the same man bashing someone at the pub.

I am aware of some of the reasons people, lawmakers think that it is different, but I disagree.  It is just violence that existing laws could deal with.

Continuing to define and treat differently, requiring different laws perpetuates the old view that a man bashing his wife is different to a man bashing a stranger.  Fail.




of course it is.....the trouble with DV is its a HIDDEN VIOLENCE>. its not just the black eye its mental as well...thats what a lot do not understand...

DV usually starts off in a mental way...women tend to think possessiveness ..jealousy.. is love.. it means they care for them more than anyone else....... its when it starts to intrude on one freedoms that it becomes not love but control...and when she start to argue back.. thats when the fist comes in..

well in the violence stage..



there is so much SHAME still attached to DV...

two people involved so someone has to take the blame...and its usually the weaker one....who tries to change and stop making the other angry...

a mother of 5 has just been allegedly killed by her defacto of many years....by all accounts her son asked straight away .. "did dad kill her"..

have those children been living in fear all their lives this was going to happen one day?????????....


Cry Cry Cry


how terrible to explain to children their dad killed their mum...


Does anyone begin to suggest that putting innocent men accused and convicted without proof as the main thrust of 'domestic violence' "laws" is NOT mental abuse?

There is an emerging pattern titled "Battered Man Syndrome".....emotionally and spiritually battered in the same way as any other rape victim, by having violence, outrageous violence, thrust upon them without rhyme or reason.

No wonder the casualty rate is rising....
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Reply #57 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 6:12pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 8:10pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm:
domestic violence should be handled like this.

1 woman is victim of domestic violence.
2.woman goes and reports this to one of her alpha male friends
3 alpha male goes and delivers the "good news" to the perpetrator
4 here endeth the lesson


Perpetrator follows trail of urine to Aquascoot's house and teaches Aquascoot Alphabelt.

Violence begets violence.


Yes & sometimes complete arzeholery begets & thoroughly deserves violence

You should take a number. Roll Eyes
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Reply #58 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 6:14pm
 
red baron wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 1:45pm:
That is an outrageous and ignorant assessment to make of Rosie Batty that she 'should have protected him better'.

Let me tell you as an ex Cop, if someone decides they are going to 'come after you'.. Good luck with stopping them unless you have unlimited resources and travel with an armed squad of goons to protect you and your kids.

Because, when a single minded person decides they are going to come for you, trust me on this, chances are they will get you. No matter what you set up.

Rosie's unhinged ex stalked the boy then attacked him when the opportunity came and killed him with a cricket bat.

Some of you sitting in those ivory towers of yours think you're safe.

But if that someone wants to take you out, then you are very likely to go.


Red - I read her story and she herself said that she was not overly concerned that her mad hubby was playing cricket with her son.. NOBODY there made any attempt to stop it before it happened, and nobody thought anything was going on other than a father throwing a ball to his son to hit... the first respondent was another kid who thought her son had been hit in the head by a ball.... and was driven away by the mad ex-husband...

She herself said that......

Eleven or no matter how many complaints in the past or current warrants or anything else can ever remove what she said - no amount of police or court intervention can change this -she herself PERMITTED the madman to play cricket with their son and she was even happy to see the madman behaving properly at the time (or so she thought), and had no problem with it until the killing took place.

Sadly - trust was misplaced by this woman in a lunatic..... I hope everyone knows better in future... NEVER LET A LUNATIC NEAR YOUR MOST PRECIOUS.

It was a mistake on her part pure and simple - and I'm positive she lives with it every day - but the fact is that the system was in place and working as far as it could work under those circumstances.
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Reply #59 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 6:17pm
 
cods wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:02am:
double plus good wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 3:35am:
Faaark leftards are boring. Violence, boo-hoo. Racism, boo-hoo. People in detention, boo-hoo. These failed corporate hippies  just can't seem to climatise to life on planet Earth.  Thank God there always in opposition.



if they had their way

we would all be living in Utopia...

can you think of anything worse than a lefty run Utopia.....

Billy as King.ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

and his little union groupies keeping Utopians in line...

with their ..

its our way or no way...system...



I am still not sure what Abbott has to do this this thread.. Roll Eyes.. but I am sure they will think of something.


Has to be one of the dumbest things you've ever typed Roll Eyes

"it's our way or the highway" is the LNP mantra.
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