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Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase
Reply #60 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 5:38pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:01pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:40am:

Typical leftards. They want everything, they just don't want to pay for it... or they want someone else to.

The same can be said for businesses, hardly the bastion of leftism.

They want their taxes cut, they want the GST hiked to pay for it. Who doesn't pay GST? Businesses.

Sure, let's hike the GST by removing some business exemptions such as tax-free transfer pricing.

Who hates business with a real passion? BAM

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Reply #61 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 5:40pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 5:32pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:52pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:49am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:19am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:45am:

It is ironic that every poster here seems to think this is a bad result. Given that a small majority oppose it at this stage is a very good result! New taxes are never going to be popular. There will always be a hard core of people who would oppose new taxes no matter what else is included. But this figure of 54% opposition comes without and detail on the compensation packages. The Howard GST was also quite unpopular but improved markedly once the huge reductions in income tax and the large increases in welfare payments were announced.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

One of the most important things to be noted is that the polls also show government support solid at 53/47 with a small INCREASE in their vote. It is hardly bad news for the GST increase.

a good result? nice try Grin

37 % are in favour, about the same percentage of die hard libs like you that would support the libs no matter what they proposed.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

What do you think it will do to public opinion when people work out that they will be something like $5,000 worse off ???

I would expect that these numbers will change drastically the other way when it goes from being theoretical to actual money coming out of peoples pockets.

Because they won't be. Just as with the original GST implementation, most people are no worse of and some better off. It will be the same here. You do seem to have awful difficulty with the concept of compensation. By the polls it would appear most others do not have your blind-eye.

Talk about compensation is the worst off among us. The average working guy is looking at paying 15% GST with no compensation at all.

You know this because you are the only person not in Federal Cabinet to know the details of a GST compensation package that by all reports, hasnt even been decided on yet? Have you any idea just how stupid this makes you sound?

You realise that in your previous post you had made the same type of statement about the compensation covering everyone and being no worse off, You know this because you are the only person not in Federal Cabinet to know the details of a GST compensation.

Everybody (but you apparently) knows there will be a compensation package. What it will be exactly is of course unknown since we do not even know the model of the 15% GST. You seem pathologically incapable of accepting the existence of a GST compensation package for reasons that escape me and everyone else. When has there EVER been a massive increase in one kind of taxation without a compensatory reduction in another? NEVER. why would this be any different.

On a side note, it is interesting psychologically as to where your pathological inability to accept known facts comes from.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 117098 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase Reply #62 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:09pm Will Turnbull have the guts to take the 15% GST to the coming election?
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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase Reply #63 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:10pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:09pm: Will Turnbull have the guts to take the 15% GST to the coming election? Who cares?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 117098 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase Reply #64 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:12pm Neferti wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:10pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:09pm: Will Turnbull have the guts to take the 15% GST to the coming election? Who cares? I care - it would be a massive election issue that Turnbull could lose on.
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Reply #65 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:14pm

we are in Debt..

Labor put us in this Massive Debt..

Labor are keeping us in Debt by blocking savings..

this will continue till the next election when hopefully we get a clear winner in government and in the senate..

Labor threw Billions of Dollars into the Budget knowing we couldn't afford it and expecting to lose the last election so as to make the next government look bad..

there was so much waste in the last Labor government it was just sickening and still is..

the filthy immigrants are costing us 100 Million dollars a year and will continue to rise.. another Labor Rippa..

so anyways..

to pay back your debts you either raise taxes or cut all of Labors irresponsible spending...

but it seems that the Leftard don't want any cuts.. or.. any tax increases..

and that's why most people know that the leftist is mentally handicapped, selfish, greedy and lazy.. durr Cheesy

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Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase
Reply #66 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:16pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:14pm:

we are in Debt..

Labor put us in this Massive Debt..

Labor are keeping us in Debt by blocking savings..

this will continue till the next election when hopefully we get a clear winner in government and in the senate..

Labor threw Billions of Dollars into the Budget knowing we couldn't afford it and expecting to lose the last election so as to make the next government look bad..

there was so much waste in the last Labor government it was just sickening and still is..

the filthy immigrants are costing us 100 Million dollars a year and will continue to rise.. another Labor Rippa..

so anyways..

to pay back your debts you either raise taxes or cut all of Labors irresponsible spending...

but it seems that the Leftard don't want any cuts.. or.. any tax increases..

and that's why most people know that the leftist is mentally handicapped.. durr Cheesy

Labor put us in this Massive Debt?

We've had more than a doubling of the debt since the Libbos came to power.

Get your facts straight & apologise to all the readers.

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Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase
Reply #67 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:17pm

What's the point of a compensation package - that's taking money out and giving it back again - even if it is a lesser amount.

Assuming it is to compensate to the less well off (more likely like most lib policies it will compensate the more well off to a larger degree), it shows that the govt recognises how blunt an instrument this is.

Now how about target other areas of taxation say like super?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 117098 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase Reply #68 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:39pm My bet is that if the GST is raised to 15% the Govt. will spend it all & still borrow more. Next prediction - we will never pay off our debt - it will only keep increasing until we are like Greece.
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Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase
Reply #69 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:02pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 5:40pm:

Everybody (but you apparently) knows there will be a compensation package. What it will be exactly is of course unknown since we do not even know the model of the 15% GST. You seem pathologically incapable of accepting the existence of a GST compensation package for reasons that escape me and everyone else. When has there EVER been a massive increase in one kind of taxation without a compensatory reduction in another? NEVER. why would this be any different.

On a side note, it is interesting psychologically as to where your pathological inability to accept known facts comes from.

Repeating an incorrect statement does not make it correct.

The government claim that a 15% GST will raise an additional $48 B or so, if nobody is worse off where can this come from ?

Nobody has said that everyone will be compensated.

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Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase
Reply #70 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:32pm

stunspore wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:17pm:

What's the point of a compensation package - that's taking money out and giving it back again - even if it is a lesser amount.

Assuming it is to compensate to the less well off (more likely like most lib policies it will compensate the more well off to a larger degree), it shows that the govt recognises how blunt an instrument this is.

Now how about target other areas of taxation say like super?

That has been answered earlier in the thread. Even if revenue neutral, there are different deadweight losses associated with the assortment of taxation regimes.

Deadweight loss of GST = 8c per dollar, income tax = 21c per dollar, company tax = 40c per dollar.

Not particularly hard to see where the push is coming from. Stuff all to do with tax breaks for the rich.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase Reply #71 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:44pm Wouldn't the Libs just say the 18odd k tax free threshold is your compensation, was the only thing that they left after CT abolished.
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Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase
Reply #72 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:22pm

Its time wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:44pm:

Wouldn't the Libs just say the 18odd k tax free threshold is your compensation, was the only thing that they left after CT abolished.

No, that wouldn't work. It leaves pensioners, self funded retirees and welfare recipients worse off. Compensation measures can't be confined only to the taxation system. There would need to be transfers in some way.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Reply #73 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:47pm

crocodile wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:22pm:

Its time wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:44pm:

Wouldn't the Libs just say the 18odd k tax free threshold is your compensation, was the only thing that they left after CT abolished.

No, that wouldn't work. It leaves pensioners, self funded retirees and welfare recipients worse off. Compensation measures can't be confined only to the taxation system. There would need to be transfers in some way.

True that

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Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase
Reply #74 - Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 10:47am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:16pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:14pm:

we are in Debt..

Labor put us in this Massive Debt..

Labor are keeping us in Debt by blocking savings..

this will continue till the next election when hopefully we get a clear winner in government and in the senate..

Labor threw Billions of Dollars into the Budget knowing we couldn't afford it and expecting to lose the last election so as to make the next government look bad..

there was so much waste in the last Labor government it was just sickening and still is..

the filthy immigrants are costing us 100 Million dollars a year and will continue to rise.. another Labor Rippa..

so anyways..

to pay back your debts you either raise taxes or cut all of Labors irresponsible spending...

but it seems that the Leftard don't want any cuts.. or.. any tax increases..

and that's why most people know that the leftist is mentally handicapped.. durr Cheesy

Labor put us in this Massive Debt?

We've had more than a doubling of the debt since the Libbos came to power.

Get your facts straight & apologise to all the readers.

So bobby, to double the debt would require annual deficits of $140B each year.

Do you want to try again oh gullible one?

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