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Reply #45 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:49am

John Smith wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:19am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:45am:

It is ironic that every poster here seems to think this is a bad result. Given that a small majority oppose it at this stage is a very good result! New taxes are never going to be popular. There will always be a hard core of people who would oppose new taxes no matter what else is included. But this figure of 54% opposition comes without and detail on the compensation packages. The Howard GST was also quite unpopular but improved markedly once the huge reductions in income tax and the large increases in welfare payments were announced.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

One of the most important things to be noted is that the polls also show government support solid at 53/47 with a small INCREASE in their vote. It is hardly bad news for the GST increase.

a good result? nice try Grin

37 % are in favour, about the same percentage of die hard libs like you that would support the libs no matter what they proposed.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

What do you think it will do to public opinion when people work out that they will be something like $5,000 worse off ???

I would expect that these numbers will change drastically the other way when it goes from being theoretical to actual money coming out of peoples pockets.

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Reply #46 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:59am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:40am:

Typical leftards. They want everything, they just don't want to pay for it... or they want someone else to.

The same can be said for businesses, hardly the bastion of leftism.

They want their taxes cut, they want the GST hiked to pay for it. Who doesn't pay GST? Businesses.

Sure, let's hike the GST by removing some business exemptions such as tax-free transfer pricing.

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Reply #47 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 10:56am

Increase the GST to lower income & company tax.

At what point do you think politicians will wake up that continually cutting taxation is a bad thing?

Does anyone really think a increase of 5% on the GST will cover the shortfall from the taxes they will cut to "Stimulate growth" as well as fund Health & Education.

F.F.S it's already been modelled that the taxation the government forgoes to allow boomers to "top up" their super cost more than the bloody pension.

Speaking of, does anyone think we'll ever get a person in power who understands perpetual growth is a bad thing???

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Reply #48 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 2:59pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:44am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:45am:

It is ironic that every poster here seems to think this is a bad result. Given that a small majority oppose it at this stage is a very good result! New taxes are never going to be popular. There will always be a hard core of people who would oppose new taxes no matter what else is included. But this figure of 54% opposition comes without and detail on the compensation packages. The Howard GST was also quite unpopular but improved markedly once the huge reductions in income tax and the large increases in welfare payments were announced.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

One of the most important things to be noted is that the polls also show government support solid at 53/47 with a small INCREASE in their vote. It is hardly bad news for the GST increase.

solid at 53/47 with a small INCREASE in their vote.

You have been crowing about 55 to 45 for weeks. How can 53 to 47 be a slight improvement ?

53/47 is what it has BEEN for some time. 55/45 is what I expect it to GET to before the election.

It isnt that hard to work out.

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Reply #49 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:01pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:49am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:19am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:45am:

It is ironic that every poster here seems to think this is a bad result. Given that a small majority oppose it at this stage is a very good result! New taxes are never going to be popular. There will always be a hard core of people who would oppose new taxes no matter what else is included. But this figure of 54% opposition comes without and detail on the compensation packages. The Howard GST was also quite unpopular but improved markedly once the huge reductions in income tax and the large increases in welfare payments were announced.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

One of the most important things to be noted is that the polls also show government support solid at 53/47 with a small INCREASE in their vote. It is hardly bad news for the GST increase.

a good result? nice try Grin

37 % are in favour, about the same percentage of die hard libs like you that would support the libs no matter what they proposed.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

What do you think it will do to public opinion when people work out that they will be something like $5,000 worse off ???

I would expect that these numbers will change drastically the other way when it goes from being theoretical to actual money coming out of peoples pockets.

Because they won't be. Just as with the original GST implementation, most people are no worse of and some better off. It will be the same here. You do seem to have awful difficulty with the concept of compensation. By the polls it would appear most others do not have your blind-eye.

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Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase
Reply #50 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:01pm

Bam wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:40am:

Typical leftards. They want everything, they just don't want to pay for it... or they want someone else to.

The same can be said for businesses, hardly the bastion of leftism.

They want their taxes cut, they want the GST hiked to pay for it. Who doesn't pay GST? Businesses.

Sure, let's hike the GST by removing some business exemptions such as tax-free transfer pricing.

Who hates business with a real passion? BAM

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Re: The Majority Of Voters Say No To GST Increase
Reply #52 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:46pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:04pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 2:59pm:

53/47 is what it has BEEN for some time. 55/45 is what I expect it to GET to before the election.

Geez you're full of crap. You even started a thread on it you dopey twat

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1453534393

From REAL pollsters like Newspoll. The ones that get it right. It is always entertaining watching the mental Monk trying to reinterpret every poll as a major disaster for the Libs.

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Reply #53 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:50pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 2:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:44am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:45am:

It is ironic that every poster here seems to think this is a bad result. Given that a small majority oppose it at this stage is a very good result! New taxes are never going to be popular. There will always be a hard core of people who would oppose new taxes no matter what else is included. But this figure of 54% opposition comes without and detail on the compensation packages. The Howard GST was also quite unpopular but improved markedly once the huge reductions in income tax and the large increases in welfare payments were announced.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

One of the most important things to be noted is that the polls also show government support solid at 53/47 with a small INCREASE in their vote. It is hardly bad news for the GST increase.

solid at 53/47 with a small INCREASE in their vote.

You have been crowing about 55 to 45 for weeks. How can 53 to 47 be a slight improvement ?

53/47 is what it has BEEN for some time. 55/45 is what I expect it to GET to before the election.

It isnt that hard to work out.

I would be surprised if anyone took your meaning that way.

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Reply #54 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:52pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:49am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:19am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:45am:

It is ironic that every poster here seems to think this is a bad result. Given that a small majority oppose it at this stage is a very good result! New taxes are never going to be popular. There will always be a hard core of people who would oppose new taxes no matter what else is included. But this figure of 54% opposition comes without and detail on the compensation packages. The Howard GST was also quite unpopular but improved markedly once the huge reductions in income tax and the large increases in welfare payments were announced.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

One of the most important things to be noted is that the polls also show government support solid at 53/47 with a small INCREASE in their vote. It is hardly bad news for the GST increase.

a good result? nice try Grin

37 % are in favour, about the same percentage of die hard libs like you that would support the libs no matter what they proposed.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

What do you think it will do to public opinion when people work out that they will be something like $5,000 worse off ???

I would expect that these numbers will change drastically the other way when it goes from being theoretical to actual money coming out of peoples pockets.

Because they won't be. Just as with the original GST implementation, most people are no worse of and some better off. It will be the same here. You do seem to have awful difficulty with the concept of compensation. By the polls it would appear most others do not have your blind-eye.

Talk about compensation is the worst off among us. The average working guy is looking at paying 15% GST with no compensation at all.

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Reply #55 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:58pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:52pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:49am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:19am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:45am:

It is ironic that every poster here seems to think this is a bad result. Given that a small majority oppose it at this stage is a very good result! New taxes are never going to be popular. There will always be a hard core of people who would oppose new taxes no matter what else is included. But this figure of 54% opposition comes without and detail on the compensation packages. The Howard GST was also quite unpopular but improved markedly once the huge reductions in income tax and the large increases in welfare payments were announced.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

One of the most important things to be noted is that the polls also show government support solid at 53/47 with a small INCREASE in their vote. It is hardly bad news for the GST increase.

a good result? nice try Grin

37 % are in favour, about the same percentage of die hard libs like you that would support the libs no matter what they proposed.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

What do you think it will do to public opinion when people work out that they will be something like $5,000 worse off ???

I would expect that these numbers will change drastically the other way when it goes from being theoretical to actual money coming out of peoples pockets.

Because they won't be. Just as with the original GST implementation, most people are no worse of and some better off. It will be the same here. You do seem to have awful difficulty with the concept of compensation. By the polls it would appear most others do not have your blind-eye.

Talk about compensation is the worst off among us. The average working guy is looking at paying 15% GST with no compensation at all.

You know this because you are the only person not in Federal Cabinet to know the details of a GST compensation package that by all reports, hasnt even been decided on yet? Have you any idea just how stupid this makes you sound?

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Reply #56 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 4:57pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:04pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 2:59pm:

53/47 is what it has BEEN for some time. 55/45 is what I expect it to GET to before the election.

Geez you're full of crap. You even started a thread on it you dopey twat

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1453534393

From REAL pollsters like Newspoll. The ones that get it right. It is always entertaining watching the mental Monk trying to reinterpret every poll as a major disaster for the Libs.

from real pollsters? nice try .

You are a liar and an id iot

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Reply #57 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 5:00pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:04pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 2:59pm:

53/47 is what it has BEEN for some time. 55/45 is what I expect it to GET to before the election.

Geez you're full of crap. You even started a thread on it you dopey twat

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1453534393

From REAL pollsters like Newspoll. The ones that get it right. It is always entertaining watching the mental Monk trying to reinterpret every poll as a major disaster for the Libs.

Like reinterpreting 55 as 57 Cheesy

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Reply #58 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 5:32pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:52pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 3:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:49am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:19am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 8:45am:

It is ironic that every poster here seems to think this is a bad result. Given that a small majority oppose it at this stage is a very good result! New taxes are never going to be popular. There will always be a hard core of people who would oppose new taxes no matter what else is included. But this figure of 54% opposition comes without and detail on the compensation packages. The Howard GST was also quite unpopular but improved markedly once the huge reductions in income tax and the large increases in welfare payments were announced.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

One of the most important things to be noted is that the polls also show government support solid at 53/47 with a small INCREASE in their vote. It is hardly bad news for the GST increase.

a good result? nice try Grin

37 % are in favour, about the same percentage of die hard libs like you that would support the libs no matter what they proposed.

The Liberals would be heartened by this result. With a good marketing campaign, they should be easily able to improve that by 10-15 points.

What do you think it will do to public opinion when people work out that they will be something like $5,000 worse off ???

I would expect that these numbers will change drastically the other way when it goes from being theoretical to actual money coming out of peoples pockets.

Because they won't be. Just as with the original GST implementation, most people are no worse of and some better off. It will be the same here. You do seem to have awful difficulty with the concept of compensation. By the polls it would appear most others do not have your blind-eye.

Talk about compensation is the worst off among us. The average working guy is looking at paying 15% GST with no compensation at all.

You know this because you are the only person not in Federal Cabinet to know the details of a GST compensation package that by all reports, hasnt even been decided on yet? Have you any idea just how stupid this makes you sound?

You realise that in your previous post you had made the same type of statement about the compensation covering everyone and being no worse off, You know this because you are the only person not in Federal Cabinet to know the details of a GST compensation.

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