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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #30 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:27pm

lee wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

have a Herculean task for you lee darling. Prove the following temperature charts are wrong:

BTW have you read the report?

Even NOAA admit -

'The warmth was due to the near-record strong El Niño that developed during the Northern Hemisphere spring in the eastern and central equatorial Pacific Ocean and to large regions of record warm and much warmer-than-average sea surface temperatures in parts of every major ocean basin.'

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201513

El Nino - El Naturale Wink

Your favorite year 1997 was also a strong El Nino.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19964 Gender:	Re: Sticking it to the Greenies Reply #31 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:32pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:27pm: Your favorite year 1997 was also a strong El Nino. Actually it was across two years 1997 and 1998. But hey, I never said it wasn't an El Nino year. So what exactly was the point?
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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #32 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:37pm

lee wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:27pm:

Your favorite year 1997 was also a strong El Nino.

Actually it was across two years 1997 and 1998. But hey, I never said it wasn't an El Nino year.

So what exactly was the point?

Current El Nino spans 2015-2016 and 2016 is trending to be hotter than 2015.

My point was your example year 1997 was also an El Nino year so you can't claim different conditions for 2015.

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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #33 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:46pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Current El Nino spans 2015-2016 and 2016 is trending to be hotter than 2015.

My point was your example year 1997 was also an El Nino year so you can't claim different conditions for 2015.

You're claiming a trend over 30 days, out of a year? I know what the pundits are predicting, but if you look at Sea Surface Temperatures, they don't seem to agree.

You can't claim different conditions for different El Ninos? What happened to 2006-07 and 2009-10? Both were multiple El Nino years.

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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #34 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:35pm

GordyL wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:00pm:

GordyL wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

lee wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

GordyL wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

I'd like all cars to be run on lecky asap.

Good luck getting Perth-Sydney.

Well for most people who do 100km or less a day.

Most people also occasionally do a lot more. What point is a car that will NEVER do more, especially when it costs three times as much and can do so much less?

Remember ye olde brick sized mobile phone: how much did they cost again?

The concept is called economies of scale and we all know you avoid it like the plague Shocked

Economies of scale wont make and EV travel 600kms on a charge and take 15mins to recharge.

No dear, they’ll just make service stations swap your empty battery for a charged one, the way you fill your empty Camry with petrol.

Incredible, isn’t it? Back in the day, they had places you could fill your horse up with hay. Economies of scale tend to do these things.

I believe Longy has a sum on it.

How does this even effect us urbane inner city types who generally toodle around town doing less than 100km a day?
We're by FAR the majority of motoer Ve-Hicle users in Australia.

On the odd occasion I need to pop up to the Hunter for some wine or Bowral for a bit of Polo I can walk 50 meters to the Goget Pruis.

Sorry for all the fringe dwelling proletarians who need to commute 500km a day, but your opinion doesn't matter.

The point you dismiss so easily is that the comparison between EVs and petrol cars leaves EVs looking pretty bad. The fact they cost less to run is their sole advantage, but the disadvantages are many. They cost 2-3 times as much. Their range is extremely limited and recharge times are long. Petrol cars can cross the country virtually nonstop with just 10mins stops for fuel. EVs simply cant. There is simply too much they cannot do when compared to petrol cars which is of course, why 99.5% of people buy petrol cars.

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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #35 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:34pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

GordyL wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:00pm:

GordyL wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

lee wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

GordyL wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

I'd like all cars to be run on lecky asap.

Good luck getting Perth-Sydney.

Well for most people who do 100km or less a day.

Most people also occasionally do a lot more. What point is a car that will NEVER do more, especially when it costs three times as much and can do so much less?

Remember ye olde brick sized mobile phone: how much did they cost again?

The concept is called economies of scale and we all know you avoid it like the plague Shocked

Economies of scale wont make and EV travel 600kms on a charge and take 15mins to recharge.

No dear, they’ll just make service stations swap your empty battery for a charged one, the way you fill your empty Camry with petrol.

Incredible, isn’t it? Back in the day, they had places you could fill your horse up with hay. Economies of scale tend to do these things.

I believe Longy has a sum on it.

How does this even effect us urbane inner city types who generally toodle around town doing less than 100km a day?
We're by FAR the majority of motoer Ve-Hicle users in Australia.

On the odd occasion I need to pop up to the Hunter for some wine or Bowral for a bit of Polo I can walk 50 meters to the Goget Pruis.

Sorry for all the fringe dwelling proletarians who need to commute 500km a day, but your opinion doesn't matter.

The point you dismiss so easily is that the comparison between EVs and petrol cars leaves EVs looking pretty bad. The fact they cost less to run is their sole advantage, but the disadvantages are many. They cost 2-3 times as much. Their range is extremely limited and recharge times are long. Petrol cars can cross the country virtually nonstop with just 10mins stops for fuel. EVs simply cant. There is simply too much they cannot do when compared to petrol cars which is of course, why 99.5% of people buy petrol cars.

The cars are getting cheaper, the range is getting better.

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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #36 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:01pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

The point you dismiss so easily is that the comparison between EVs and petrol cars leaves EVs looking pretty bad. The fact they cost less to run is their sole advantage, but the disadvantages are many. They cost 2-3 times as much. Their range is extremely limited and recharge times are long. Petrol cars can cross the country virtually nonstop with just 10mins stops for fuel. EVs simply cant. There is simply too much they cannot do when compared to petrol cars which is of course, why 99.5% of people buy petrol cars.

Cost curves will eventually include external factors such as war.

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Ever heard of social liscence ?

Disinvestment was the word, and the word was good Grin

Are we not all stakeholders??

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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #37 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:05pm

lee wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:15pm:

Why should I bother. I have no trust in NOAA.

Yours is a mere appeal to authority. Try thinking for yourself.

Where's 1997?

You don't have to trust them: i will even give you permission to wear silly costumes and stay indoors whilst smoking a crack pipe and pretending to eat pizza every now and again Roll Eyes

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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #38 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:08pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

cods wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

[quote author=Pastafarian link=1454042781/1#1 date=1454042957]So was there any science disproving climate change?

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"I DON'T GO BY SCIENCE BUT...."

Says it all really, cods knows more than the majority of scientists of the world

...except for the ones she needs every now and again Cheesy

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Sticking it to the Greenies Reply #39 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:12pm lee wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:04pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:04pm: ---------> check out the logic Yeah, I'm waiting for solar powered heavy transport across the Nullarbor. Lol, are you seriously trying to say trucks are needed to cross the desert?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19964 Gender:	Re: Sticking it to the Greenies Reply #40 - Feb 1^st, 2016 at 9:25pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 6:12pm: Lol, are you seriously trying to say trucks are needed to cross the desert? Trucks, Trains Aeroplanes, Ships are needed to move goods across the country. Which ones are you going to fuel with solar. Unless of course you want electric trains.
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