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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #15 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:04pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 4:34pm:
cods wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 4:25pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 2:49pm:
So was there any science disproving climate change?



I dont know about you guys..

but I dont go by science..

I use commonsense..

when I found out the planet was/is billions of years old... had been through more spells of climate than we will ever experience in one life time..

iceage floods tempest.dinosaurs..fire famine..

you name it.. this planet has seen it..


I then realised there is a bigger force than man will ever be.. guiding this ship through the universe..

I cant speak for you and I hope and trust I dont call you names for believing what you do...

I do try to clean up my thinking and in that was maybe contribute to cleaning up our planet..which is in dire need of some TLC...

but kill it.. drown  it... turn it into an arid unlivable dessert.... NO MATE...

we have neither the power nor the brains...

Mother Nature.. thats what I call this POWER FORCE..

is having a laugh!

as for the MONEY.. I have said all along..

climate change is one HUGE SCAM...

I am not laughing at it though...it will go into the billions and it will not make an iota of differnce

just feed the corruption that is alive and well..


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oh look its the mad lefty... what science are you wrapped in???

is it  the Frankenstein type .. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #16 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:04pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:15pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm:
Well for most people who do 100km or less a day.



So back to fossil fuel then.

---------> check out the logic  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #17 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:05pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:04pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 4:34pm:
cods wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 4:25pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 2:49pm:
So was there any science disproving climate change?



I dont know about you guys..

but I dont go by science..

I use commonsense..

when I found out the planet was/is billions of years old... had been through more spells of climate than we will ever experience in one life time..

iceage floods tempest.dinosaurs..fire famine..

you name it.. this planet has seen it..


I then realised there is a bigger force than man will ever be.. guiding this ship through the universe..

I cant speak for you and I hope and trust I dont call you names for believing what you do...

I do try to clean up my thinking and in that was maybe contribute to cleaning up our planet..which is in dire need of some TLC...

but kill it.. drown  it... turn it into an arid unlivable dessert.... NO MATE...

we have neither the power nor the brains...

Mother Nature.. thats what I call this POWER FORCE..

is having a laugh!

as for the MONEY.. I have said all along..

climate change is one HUGE SCAM...

I am not laughing at it though...it will go into the billions and it will not make an iota of differnce

just feed the corruption that is alive and well..


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin--->
"I DON'T GO BY SCIENCE BUT...."



oh look its the mad lefty... what science are you wrapped in???

is it  the Frankenstein type .. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

cods can't compete again  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #18 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 10:04pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:04pm:
---------> check out the logic



Yeah, I'm waiting for solar powered heavy transport across the Nullarbor. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #19 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 11:12pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 4:22pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:29pm:
2015 was the hottest year on record.



Not according to NOAA.

1997 global average temperature '62.45 degrees Fahrenheit'

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/199713

2015 ' the average global temperature across land and ocean surface areas for 2015 was 0.90°C (1.62°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F)'

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201513

1.62F + 57.0F = 58.62F

I'll let you do the rest of the math.


Your web site for 1997 shows +0.42C above 20th century average.

Note the NCDC/NOAA disclaimer: "Please note: the estimate for the baseline global temperature used in this study differed, and was warmer than, the baseline estimate (Jones et al., 1999) used currently. This report has been superseded by subsequent analyses. However, as with all climate monitoring reports, it is left online as it was written at the time."

Bad attempt at trickeryby denier lee:


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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #20 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 1:52pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:03pm:
mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:00pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm:
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:01pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 4:53pm:
I'd like all cars to be run on lecky asap.



Good luck getting Perth-Sydney.


Well for most people who do 100km or less a day.


Most people also occasionally do a lot more. What point is a car that will NEVER do more, especially when it costs three times as much and can do so much less?

Remember ye olde brick sized mobile phone: how much did they cost again?


The concept is called economies of scale and we all know you avoid it like the plague  Shocked Shocked Shocked


Economies of scale wont make and EV travel 600kms on a charge and take 15mins to recharge.
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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #21 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 2:16pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:03pm:
mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:00pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm:
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:01pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 4:53pm:
I'd like all cars to be run on lecky asap.



Good luck getting Perth-Sydney.


Well for most people who do 100km or less a day.


Most people also occasionally do a lot more. What point is a car that will NEVER do more, especially when it costs three times as much and can do so much less?

Remember ye olde brick sized mobile phone: how much did they cost again?


The concept is called economies of scale and we all know you avoid it like the plague  Shocked Shocked Shocked


Economies of scale wont make and EV travel 600kms on a charge and take 15mins to recharge.


No dear, they’ll just make service stations swap your empty battery for a charged one, the way you fill your empty Camry with petrol.

Incredible, isn’t it? Back in the day, they had places you could fill your horse up with hay. Economies of scale tend to do these things.

I believe Longy has a sum on it.
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Reply #22 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 4:13pm
 
Melanias purse wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 2:16pm:
mariacostel wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:03pm:
mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:00pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm:
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:01pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 4:53pm:
I'd like all cars to be run on lecky asap.



Good luck getting Perth-Sydney.


Well for most people who do 100km or less a day.


Most people also occasionally do a lot more. What point is a car that will NEVER do more, especially when it costs three times as much and can do so much less?

Remember ye olde brick sized mobile phone: how much did they cost again?


The concept is called economies of scale and we all know you avoid it like the plague  Shocked Shocked Shocked


Economies of scale wont make and EV travel 600kms on a charge and take 15mins to recharge.


No dear, they’ll just make service stations swap your empty battery for a charged one, the way you fill your empty Camry with petrol.

Incredible, isn’t it? Back in the day, they had places you could fill your horse up with hay. Economies of scale tend to do these things.

I believe Longy has a sum on it.


How does this even effect us urbane inner city types who generally toodle around town doing less than 100km a day?
We're by FAR the majority of motoer Ve-Hicle users in Australia.

On the odd occasion I need to pop up to the Hunter for some wine or Bowral for a bit of Polo I can walk 50 meters to the Goget Pruis.

Sorry for all the fringe dwelling proletarians who need to commute 500km a day, but your opinion doesn't matter.
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Re: Sticking it to the Greenies
Reply #23 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 4:17pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 4:34pm:
cods wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 4:25pm:
[quote author=Pastafarian link=1454042781/1#1 date=1454042957]So was there any science disproving climate change?




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Says it all really, cods knows more than the majority of scientists of the world
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Reply #24 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 4:22pm
 
GordyL wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 4:13pm:
On the odd occasion I need to pop up to the Hunter for some wine or Bowral for a bit of Polo I can walk 50 meters to the Goget Pruis.


Is that similar to a Prius?
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Reply #25 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 4:45pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 11:12pm:
Your web site for 1997 shows +0.42C above 20th century average.

Note the NCDC/NOAA disclaimer: "Please note: the estimate for the baseline global temperature used in this study differed, and was warmer than, the baseline estimate (Jones et al., 1999) used currently. This report has been superseded by subsequent analyses. However, as with all climate monitoring reports, it is left online as it was written at the time."


And of course you didn't see the claim of 62.45ºF?

The global baseline temperature differed. So that makes your anomalies different.

Then again Jones uses a lot of the "data" of Briffa and Mann. Mann's work has been seriously debunked.

Briffa? A new paper 'Uncertainties in tree-ring-based climate reconstructions probed'

Authors - ' Dr Matthew Schofield of Otago's Department of Mathematics and Statistics. His co-authors on the paper are departmental colleague Professor Richard Barker, Professor Andrew Gelman of Columbia University, Director of the Tree Ring Lab at Columbia Professor Ed Cook, and Emeritus Professor Keith Briffa of the University of East Anglia, UK.'

Conclusions - 'They found that competing models fit the Scots Pine data equally well but still led to substantially different predictions of historical temperature due to the differing assumptions underlying each model.

While the periods of relatively warmer and cooler temperatures were robust between models, the magnitude of the resulting temperatures was highly dependent on the model being used.

This suggests that there is less certainty than implied by a reconstruction developed using any one set of assumptions.'

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160127101524.htm

The question then becomes how certain are we of the conclusions reached by Jones?
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Reply #26 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 5:13pm
 
I have a Herculean task for you lee darling. Prove the following temperature charts are wrong:

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Reply #27 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 5:15pm
 
Why should I bother. I have no trust in NOAA.

Yours is a mere appeal to authority. Try thinking for yourself.

Where's 1997?
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Reply #28 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 5:20pm
 
GordyL wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 4:13pm:
Melanias purse wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 2:16pm:
mariacostel wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:03pm:
mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:00pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm:
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:01pm:
GordyL wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 4:53pm:
I'd like all cars to be run on lecky asap.



Good luck getting Perth-Sydney.


Well for most people who do 100km or less a day.


Most people also occasionally do a lot more. What point is a car that will NEVER do more, especially when it costs three times as much and can do so much less?

Remember ye olde brick sized mobile phone: how much did they cost again?


The concept is called economies of scale and we all know you avoid it like the plague  Shocked Shocked Shocked


Economies of scale wont make and EV travel 600kms on a charge and take 15mins to recharge.


No dear, they’ll just make service stations swap your empty battery for a charged one, the way you fill your empty Camry with petrol.

Incredible, isn’t it? Back in the day, they had places you could fill your horse up with hay. Economies of scale tend to do these things.

I believe Longy has a sum on it.


How does this even effect us urbane inner city types who generally toodle around town doing less than 100km a day?
We're by FAR the majority of motoer Ve-Hicle users in Australia.



Very true. I ride a bike. I don't ride more than 60ks a day.
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Reply #29 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 5:20pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 5:13pm:
have a Herculean task for you lee darling. Prove the following temperature charts are wrong:



BTW have you read the report?

Even NOAA admit -

'The warmth was due to the near-record strong El Niño that developed during the Northern Hemisphere spring in the eastern and central equatorial Pacific Ocean and to large regions of record warm and much warmer-than-average sea surface temperatures in parts of every major ocean basin.'

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201513

El Nino - El Naturale Wink
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