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Re: All Over So Soon
Reply #30 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:15am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:08am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:13am:

Something that seems to have been missed by most on here is that Turnbull has learned his lesson from his first turn at the top job. That lesson is that you lead a party, not occupy a throne. He can lead the party but if the party doesnt follow then there is no leadership at all. The Libs as a party dont want an ETS and in fact oppose it strongly. Therefore, Turnbull cannot simply say he supports it because that's not how leadership operates. It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party. Funny, that. And as a result he has a commanding lead in the polls and a truly massive lead in preferred PM.

What Turnbull has done is learned how to be a true leader. He can steer the ship to a certain degree, but he cannot unilaterally decide policy. He tried that last time and lost the job.

It is the Liberal Party, not the Turnbull Party and he now knows it.

Congratulations, it must be difficult to produce such a pile of garbage.

Maria has a gift for producing garbage

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Reply #31 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:54pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:17am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:13am:

It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party.

and that will be turncoats demise. .... I feel sorry for him actually, if he does what he wants, the libs will ditch him, if he does what the libs want, the public will ditch him. He can't win the poor bloke

Since you are a fan of fantasy rather than actual history let me illuminate you. Turnbull's first run at the job was a disaster. He tried to turn the Libs into the Turnbull party and was rewarded by dreadful polls. The moment Abbott took over and started actually speaking about Liberal policies his approval (and the polls soared). A smart person would realise that people want a Liberal PARTY rather than a specific leader. Turnbull is now very popular and the party as well by delivering the policies people actually want. I know you dont understand that since you only consider your own opinions, but it remains very true and will haunt the ALP through a massive election flogging later this year.

If people were so enamoured of the libs policies, Abbotts ratings would never have dropped so low in the first place. Abbotts approval ratings collapsed because of the policies he was releasing.

Turncoat got a boost based on peoples hopes for what might be, once people realise that turncoat is just another lackey with the same crap policies, his numbers will fall. You can pretend the numbers will remain as they are all you like, history has shown repeatedly that a new leader brings a boost, but that boost doesn't last if the leader doesn't live up to expectations.

Observation and analysis of current history would lead you to the answer you seek. The libs polls soared in just a week after Abbott was dumped with virtually no changes in policies. More importantly, they have remained high. So what was the problem? Abbott or the policies?

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Reply #32 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:14pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:17am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:13am:

It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party.

and that will be turncoats demise. .... I feel sorry for him actually, if he does what he wants, the libs will ditch him, if he does what the libs want, the public will ditch him. He can't win the poor bloke

Since you are a fan of fantasy rather than actual history let me illuminate you. Turnbull's first run at the job was a disaster. He tried to turn the Libs into the Turnbull party and was rewarded by dreadful polls. The moment Abbott took over and started actually speaking about Liberal policies his approval (and the polls soared). A smart person would realise that people want a Liberal PARTY rather than a specific leader. Turnbull is now very popular and the party as well by delivering the policies people actually want. I know you dont understand that since you only consider your own opinions, but it remains very true and will haunt the ALP through a massive election flogging later this year.

If people were so enamoured of the libs policies, Abbotts ratings would never have dropped so low in the first place. Abbotts approval ratings collapsed because of the policies he was releasing.

Turncoat got a boost based on peoples hopes for what might be, once people realise that turncoat is just another lackey with the same crap policies, his numbers will fall. You can pretend the numbers will remain as they are all you like, history has shown repeatedly that a new leader brings a boost, but that boost doesn't last if the leader doesn't live up to expectations.

Observation and analysis of current history would lead you to the answer you seek. The libs polls soared in just a week after Abbott was dumped with virtually no changes in policies. More importantly, they have remained high. So what was the problem? Abbott or the policies?

The expectation Turnbull will be the saviour is driving his popularity....Turnbull has a chance to secure his leadership with the next budget or tie himself to Abbott's policies and risk fallout....Either way someone will be disappointed???

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Re: All Over So Soon
Reply #33 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:05pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:17am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:13am:

It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party.

and that will be turncoats demise. .... I feel sorry for him actually, if he does what he wants, the libs will ditch him, if he does what the libs want, the public will ditch him. He can't win the poor bloke

Since you are a fan of fantasy rather than actual history let me illuminate you. Turnbull's first run at the job was a disaster. He tried to turn the Libs into the Turnbull party and was rewarded by dreadful polls. The moment Abbott took over and started actually speaking about Liberal policies his approval (and the polls soared). A smart person would realise that people want a Liberal PARTY rather than a specific leader. Turnbull is now very popular and the party as well by delivering the policies people actually want. I know you dont understand that since you only consider your own opinions, but it remains very true and will haunt the ALP through a massive election flogging later this year.

If people were so enamoured of the libs policies, Abbotts ratings would never have dropped so low in the first place. Abbotts approval ratings collapsed because of the policies he was releasing.

Turncoat got a boost based on peoples hopes for what might be, once people realise that turncoat is just another lackey with the same crap policies, his numbers will fall. You can pretend the numbers will remain as they are all you like, history has shown repeatedly that a new leader brings a boost, but that boost doesn't last if the leader doesn't live up to expectations.

Observation and analysis of current history would lead you to the answer you seek. The libs polls soared in just a week after Abbott was dumped with virtually no changes in policies. More importantly, they have remained high. So what was the problem? Abbott or the policies?

What has changed is the Holiday period, Turnbull went in, was quiet for a bit, then started throwing out "positive" crap just before the break then buried tonnes of negative stuff in the break.

People have largely missed what actually went on in that break and the media is still basically cheerleading Turnbull.

Another point is the Public hates politics and when they don't have to think about it, polls are shown to climb, again, another advantage of a "positive" holiday period.

People simply haven't seen the actual policies yet and we still are in the political wind up period for the year, I suspect the poll numbers will vastly narrow in the coming months as people start to wake up again.

I'm not even saying Labor will win the next election, but it's going to be insanely close especially when people see Liberal policy.

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Re: All Over So Soon
Reply #35 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:37pm

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:17am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:13am:

It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party.

and that will be turncoats demise. .... I feel sorry for him actually, if he does what he wants, the libs will ditch him, if he does what the libs want, the public will ditch him. He can't win the poor bloke

Since you are a fan of fantasy rather than actual history let me illuminate you. Turnbull's first run at the job was a disaster. He tried to turn the Libs into the Turnbull party and was rewarded by dreadful polls. The moment Abbott took over and started actually speaking about Liberal policies his approval (and the polls soared). A smart person would realise that people want a Liberal PARTY rather than a specific leader. Turnbull is now very popular and the party as well by delivering the policies people actually want. I know you dont understand that since you only consider your own opinions, but it remains very true and will haunt the ALP through a massive election flogging later this year.

If people were so enamoured of the libs policies, Abbotts ratings would never have dropped so low in the first place. Abbotts approval ratings collapsed because of the policies he was releasing.

Turncoat got a boost based on peoples hopes for what might be, once people realise that turncoat is just another lackey with the same crap policies, his numbers will fall. You can pretend the numbers will remain as they are all you like, history has shown repeatedly that a new leader brings a boost, but that boost doesn't last if the leader doesn't live up to expectations.

Observation and analysis of current history would lead you to the answer you seek. The libs polls soared in just a week after Abbott was dumped with virtually no changes in policies. More importantly, they have remained high. So what was the problem? Abbott or the policies?

What has changed is the Holiday period, Turnbull went in, was quiet for a bit, then started throwing out "positive" crap just before the break then buried tonnes of negative stuff in the break.

People have largely missed what actually went on in that break and the media is still basically cheerleading Turnbull.

Another point is the Public hates politics and when they don't have to think about it, polls are shown to climb, again, another advantage of a "positive" holiday period.

People simply haven't seen the actual policies yet and we still are in the political wind up period for the year, I suspect the poll numbers will vastly narrow in the coming months as people start to wake up again.

I'm not even saying Labor will win the next election, but it's going to be insanely close especially when people see Liberal policy.

I am tipping an increased majority. Shorten is a pitiful opponent and Turnbull is a formidable one.

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