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Reply #15 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:21am

I guess the big hospitals enable the provision of all the latest equipment and treatment departments including specialists etc, that would be too expensive to duplicate in smaller hospitals

Woden hospital serves as the main specialist hospital for almost all of southern NSW, similarly so does John Hunter (Newcastle) serve the northern part of nSW

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Reply #16 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:27am

cods wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 7:34am:

miketrees wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 7:13am:

Raise the GST and get it over with.

the thing is the cost of running this goes up every day.... it stands to reason....

why do we have DOUBLE everything..

Fed health

State health...

all with little emperors

and for the most part all inefficient......

all running over cost all running behind with services...

the health system is like a giant eating machine with 8 heads to feed.......completely out of control.

its bizarre...

While the two largest health unions, namely the AMA and the College of Surgeons continue to exert unfettered control of the medical industry don't expect costs to match productivity in our lifetimes.

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Reply #17 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:38am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:10am:

big hospitals are monuments to politicians ego's .
nothing more.

Bullshit in the the Woden hospital case, it evolved from about 1970 onwards eventually becoming the main hospital for around 300000 people, it was overseen by many governments.

Building large hospitals is no different to Organisations like Telstra centralising all its operations in one major centre in Melbourne to create economies of scale.

http://apcmag.com/telstras-massive-nerve-centre-exposed.htm/

The next thing will be outsourcing of all functions that can be outsourced to overseas countries or private enterprise although as with the public service this doesnt always work that well

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Reply #18 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:06am

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:21am:

I guess the big hospitals enable the provision of all the latest equipment and treatment departments including specialists etc, that would be too expensive to duplicate in smaller hospitals

Woden hospital serves as the main specialist hospital for almost all of southern NSW, similarly so does John Hunter (Newcastle) serve the northern part of nSW

I am fine with that red... it is meant to make things more efficient..... but from what I see it doesnt.....

of all the depts that need to be EFFICIENT its the HEALTH DEPT>...and to me they have it all wrong...

we have always had hospitals weve always had people in need of medical attention....how come all of a sudden....its imploding.....

too many chiefs........to many bureaucrats ... too many chooks with no heads....

sounds about right!

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Reply #19 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:25am

cods wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

of all the depts that need to be EFFICIENT its the HEALTH DEPT>...and to me they have it all wrong...

we have always had hospitals weve always had people in need of medical attention....how come all of a sudden....its imploding.....

too many chiefs........to many bureaucrats ... too many chooks with no heads....

The same as all the APS bloated, despite every new government cutting numbers, only for them to be replaced initially by hiring consultants (often those that were made redundant) and as time goes on the numbers grow back with new hires.

From my observations they dont seem to have a real managers instinct of running their areas as if they owned the business and it was their money being spent.

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Reply #20 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:33am

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

cods wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

of all the depts that need to be EFFICIENT its the HEALTH DEPT>...and to me they have it all wrong...

we have always had hospitals weve always had people in need of medical attention....how come all of a sudden....its imploding.....

too many chiefs........to many bureaucrats ... too many chooks with no heads....

The same as all the APS bloated, despite every new government cutting numbers, only for them to be replaced initially by hiring consultants (often those that were made redundant) and as time goes on the numbers grow back with new hires.

From my observations they dont seem to have a real managers instinct of running their areas as if they owned the business and it was their money being spent.

my daughters neighbour works at the tracking station...engineer...he is turning 50 and is taking a package....next year I believe...I was shocked when I heard that anyway alls well. he will go back straight away......

we have to realise red we have abnormal amounts of money to cater to all this.. Roll Eyes

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the greedy.

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Reply #21 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:09am

cods wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:33am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

cods wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

of all the depts that need to be EFFICIENT its the HEALTH DEPT>...and to me they have it all wrong...

we have always had hospitals weve always had people in need of medical attention....how come all of a sudden....its imploding.....

too many chiefs........to many bureaucrats ... too many chooks with no heads....

The same as all the APS bloated, despite every new government cutting numbers, only for them to be replaced initially by hiring consultants (often those that were made redundant) and as time goes on the numbers grow back with new hires.

From my observations they dont seem to have a real managers instinct of running their areas as if they owned the business and it was their money being spent.

my daughters neighbour works at the tracking station...engineer...he is turning 50 and is taking a package....next year I believe...I was shocked when I heard that anyway alls well. he will go back straight away......

we have to realise red we have abnormal amounts of money to cater to all this.. Roll Eyes

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the greedy.

Actually when I took a package in the late 1990's from a large organisation (not APS), as the package was largely non taxed, we werent allowed to be reemployed by that company for 12 months by law!

I have done some casual APS work in HR on and off over the last 15 years and am amazed that that law doesnt seem to apply any more.

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Reply #22 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:31am

Its time wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 7:00am:

What did everybody think would happen when Libs ripped 80 billion out and then still managed to double budget deficit, in 6 months , with no GFC Cheesy

The interest on Labor's debt is a good piece of the deficit... Cheesy

Easy fixed anyway. Go back to if You use the system, then You pay for the system. Scrap Medicare. The minority of taxpayers that pay the majority of tax are fed up with paying for freeloaders that just whinge and whine when they should be saying thanks.

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Reply #23 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 11:07am

Swagman wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:31am:

Its time wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 7:00am:

What did everybody think would happen when Libs ripped 80 billion out and then still managed to double budget deficit, in 6 months , with no GFC Cheesy

The interest on Labor's debt is a good piece of the deficit... Cheesy

Easy fixed anyway. Go back to if You use the system, then You pay for the system. Scrap Medicare. The minority of taxpayers that pay the majority of tax are fed up with paying for freeloaders that just whinge and whine when they should be saying thanks.

Yes you should be saying thanks instead of bludging on the internet all day!

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Reply #24 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 2:29pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

cods wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

of all the depts that need to be EFFICIENT its the HEALTH DEPT>...and to me they have it all wrong...

we have always had hospitals weve always had people in need of medical attention....how come all of a sudden....its imploding.....

too many chiefs........to many bureaucrats ... too many chooks with no heads....

The same as all the APS bloated, despite every new government cutting numbers, only for them to be replaced initially by hiring consultants (often those that were made redundant) and as time goes on the numbers grow back with new hires.

From my observations they dont seem to have a real managers instinct of running their areas as if they owned the business and it was their money being spent.

I had a uniformed posting to the DMO for 3years. It was absolutely incredible watching the amount of defence (thereby Taxpayer's money) that the APS staff used on going interstate on one or two day's meetings, plus staying at 5 star hotels with all allowances. Uniformed defence members within the DMO could only travel for any purpose if military accommodation was available and limited expenses were paid. I'm glad this Government finally ended this by bringing DMO back under Defence control - we may even be able to afford some better capability now rather than allowing people to increase their Qantas Club status.

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Reply #25 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 2:35pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:31am:

Its time wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 7:00am:

What did everybody think would happen when Libs ripped 80 billion out and then still managed to double budget deficit, in 6 months , with no GFC Cheesy

The interest on Labor's debt is a good piece of the deficit... Cheesy

Easy fixed anyway. Go back to if You use the system, then You pay for the system. Scrap Medicare. The minority of taxpayers that pay the majority of tax are fed up with paying for freeloaders that just whinge and whine when they should be saying thanks.

I sort of agree with you in some areas Swag - but wondering what you think of the NSW Government spending millions on public housing? Surely it is not up to the taxpayer to fund freeloaders there either!

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Reply #26 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:29pm

Vic wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 2:35pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:31am:

Its time wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 7:00am:

What did everybody think would happen when Libs ripped 80 billion out and then still managed to double budget deficit, in 6 months , with no GFC Cheesy

The interest on Labor's debt is a good piece of the deficit... Cheesy

Easy fixed anyway. Go back to if You use the system, then You pay for the system. Scrap Medicare. The minority of taxpayers that pay the majority of tax are fed up with paying for freeloaders that just whinge and whine when they should be saying thanks.

I sort of agree with you in some areas Swag - but wondering what you think of the NSW Government spending millions on public housing? Surely it is not up to the taxpayer to fund freeloaders there either!

Good point Bigvic, but the downtrodden still pay rent for their publicly funded housing. It's not a freebie.......and then there's all those construction jobs?

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: Public Health System Faces Financial Stress Reply #27 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:32pm Perhaps we should do what just about every other industry is doing. Start a new hospital , import contract doctors and nurses from overseas, pay them 9/10ths of bugger all. Competition see. (shut up I know the rules, just sayin like)
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Reply #29 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:29am

Swagman wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:31am:

Its time wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 7:00am:

What did everybody think would happen when Libs ripped 80 billion out and then still managed to double budget deficit, in 6 months , with no GFC Cheesy

The interest on Labor's debt is a good piece of the deficit... Cheesy

Easy fixed anyway. Go back to if You use the system, then You pay for the system. Scrap Medicare. The minority of taxpayers that pay the majority of tax are fed up with paying for freeloaders that just whinge and whine when they should be saying thanks.

Those ((private) businesses using govt subsidies are very good at freeloading.

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