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Reply #30 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:13am
 
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Malcolm Turnbull's moderate vision begins to fray
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnbulls-modera...

Malcolm Turnbull's implicit promise to the Australian people, used to justify his raid on Tony Abbott's power, was to lead a modern government; less narrow, less defensive, and determined to be truly representative.

"This will be a thoroughly liberal government," he told reporters within minutes of his party-room coup, "... committed to freedom, the individual and the market."

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The sense of national relief was palpable and the bounce in the polls, gargantuan - from looming disaster to leading the race. Lickety-split.

Yet as his first calendar year begins, promise and reality are straining apart. Labor's refrain that Turnbull was merely Abbott in a better suit, had glanced off in the heady atmosphere of the time, appearing faintly desperate. "All their policies are the same," Bill Shorten had protested lamely.

But there was something to this. Turnbull may have replaced nope with hope, but he had expressly traded away his wish to accelerate the same-sex marriage timetable, and had surrendered his signature emissions trading ambitions, in the quest for a conservative majority.

Even within these constraints however, Turnbull somehow managed to cloak his new leadership in the rhetorical garb of optimism. It was as if his reputation as a forward leaner on global warming, marriage equality, the republic, and the internet, cut more ice with voters than the pesky details and squalid compromises necessary to secure the leadership.

As things stand, in January, 2016, support for the government remains high, and for Turnbull, stratospheric. Yet danger looms. Conservative Liberals are on the warpath, hitting back at attempts by moderates to remake their party, and reminding voters that Turnbull's internal authority, especially in the absence of his own mandate, is a matter of perspective.

Former frontbenchers Eric Abetz and Cory Bernardi have defied their leader, vowing to vote against marriage reform even if a future plebiscite supports change. There will be others. This makes a mockery of Turnbull's reassurance that of course, the costly and disruptive peoples' vote would be honoured by the government and the Parliament.

On the republic, Turnbull has retreated too - advising he has no stomach for another honourable loss. Here his words, signalling that the time is not right and that the next attempt must be driven from the ground up, are at least technically defensible.

But the atmosphere of resignation they create is pungent, and antithetical to his broader promise. His feel-good assertion that there's never been a better time to be an Australian, is being tempered with the acrid reality that there has rarely been a better time to be a monarchist - when even the nation's chief republican concludes that an historic cross-party consensus, means nothing.

Small-target strategies are more usually the refuge of oppositions.
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Reply #31 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:27am
 
If this was a plot to undermine Turnbull, wouldn't they be doing it from home, not abroad?  Huh
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Reply #32 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:30am
 
Wow, stupid and Lib voter really are a tautology!
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Reply #33 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:45am
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 6:58am:
Its time wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:30pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:10pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:55pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:46pm:
Why would the far right want to hear what Abort and Andrews have to say in a foreign country and why are they not turning up to parliament while the taxpayers are paying their salaries?


Parliament is not sitting.



Time to be out and about greasing the palms of their constituents then.... no time for that while Parliament is sitting...

Down time is when they should be out there working for their people....


Andrews will be overseas addressing a congregation of dimwits and dropkicks when he should be doing the job (whatever that actually is) when he is on the aussie taxpayers clock. Not sure when dumb dumb is going but he wont be in Australia so we will just call that a bonus.


Who pays for Andrews trip?  Joe Public no doubt,

To address a conservative lobby group on defence.

A Lobby Group for Christsake.

He isnt even the defence minister anymore.

Tell him to get the Lobby Group to pay.

Tool !  Angry Angry

If these trips are paid for by the taxpayers, we won't even find out about them until after the election. How convenient.
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Reply #34 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 11:35am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 8:39am:
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Youth smoking rates are at a record low. Good!
http://thenewdaily.com.au/life/2016/01/28/youth-smoking-rates-record-low/


Plain Packaging just one thing “the bitch” did that is saving lives!



From your quoted article -
'They attribute the drop to rising cigarette prices, smoke-free environment and advertising policies, plain packaging, and restrictions on adolescents’ access to tobacco.'

No breakdown of any figures.

Just an assumption, by you, that "plain packaging" is the thing that is saving lives.
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Reply #35 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 12:11pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 11:35am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 8:39am:
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Youth smoking rates are at a record low. Good!
http://thenewdaily.com.au/life/2016/01/28/youth-smoking-rates-record-low/


Plain Packaging just one thing “the bitch” did that is saving lives!



From your quoted article -
'They attribute the drop to rising cigarette prices, smoke-free environment and advertising policies, plain packaging, and restrictions on adolescents’ access to tobacco.'

No breakdown of any figures.

Just an assumption, by you, that "plain packaging" is the thing that is saving lives.

It's well known in the community that plain packaging made many people quit stone cold overnight.
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #36 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 1:02pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:27am:
If this was a plot to undermine Turnbull, wouldn't they be doing it from home, not abroad?  Huh


Doesnt matter its high TV coverage of their opinions which are often almost critical of current government policy.

Overseas may even get more coverage than local.


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Reply #37 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 1:12pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 11:35am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 8:39am:
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Youth smoking rates are at a record low. Good!
http://thenewdaily.com.au/life/2016/01/28/youth-smoking-rates-record-low/


Plain Packaging just one thing “the bitch” did that is saving lives!



From your quoted article -
'They attribute the drop to rising cigarette prices, smoke-free environment and advertising policies, plain packaging, and restrictions on adolescents’ access to tobacco.'

No breakdown of any figures.

Just an assumption, by you, that "plain packaging" is the thing that is saving lives.


I have read heaps on this, listened to interviews with tobacco company execs etc etc. The Plain Packaging made a huge difference to smoking rates and more importantly to smoking UPTAKE!

God I had my first cigarettes at age 11 or 12. Friend had this bright colored packet of cigarettes, exciting. If I was 11 or 12 now and a friend brought a packet of fags. . .the camel poop colored packet would make the rest of us laugh at the one brought the cigarettes.

Pretty sad, Lee, trying to downplay what has proven over time to be a success.

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Reply #38 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 3:00pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
God I had my first cigarettes at age 11 or 12. Friend had this bright colored packet of cigarettes, exciting.



Pretty sad that you were"excited" by colourful packaging.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
Pretty sad, Lee, trying to downplay what has proven over time to be a success.


3 years is "over time"? I would have thought 10 years was more appropriate.
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Reply #39 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 3:07pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 3:00pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
God I had my first cigarettes at age 11 or 12. Friend had this bright colored packet of cigarettes, exciting.



Pretty sad that you were"excited" by colourful packaging.


Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
Pretty sad, Lee, trying to downplay what has proven over time to be a success.


3 years is "over time"? I would have thought 10 years was more appropriate.


It's called advertising: sure you're a Liberal voter? Oh wait, you love copper internet so of course you are!!


It's a decision that has saved lives NOW: _t h a t    i s      t h e         p o i n t!

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Reply #40 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 3:29pm
 
A lot of thought, market research, psychological type studies etc went into cigarette packets.

I was 11-12 years old Lee.

Plain packaging is being adopted in other countries. We used to lead once, no longer  Sad
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Reply #41 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 3:34pm
 
I thought this thread was about Tony Abbott addressing some forum about gays?

Suddenly it has morphed into Anti-Smoking.  Cool
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Reply #42 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 3:41pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 3:29pm:
A lot of thought, market research, psychological type studies etc went into cigarette packets.

I was 11-12 years old Lee.



I too took up smoking about that age. It wasn't the colourful packaging, just about "everybody" did it. It wasn't peer-pressure either, I wasn't taunted or cajoled into it. My choice, my mistake.

I smoked on and off for about 13 years.
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Reply #43 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 12:27pm
 
More undermining.

Malcolm Turnbull's talking points for Coalition colleagues ahead of Parliament's return leaked to media

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* Coalition backbenchers encouraged to talk up innovation, jobs, economic growth
* Leaked talking points email sign of disquiet in the party
* Breach of confidence could point to unsettled leadership


Coalition MPs and senators have been well-primed for their first week back in Parliament, with a comprehensive set of talking points delivered to each by the Prime Minister's office last night.

The accompanying note on the email encourages backbenchers to "focus on being proactive and getting our message out about innovation, jobs and economic growth".

It includes "talking points, social media pics and questions to help you promote the Government's record".

All of the material was leaked shortly after it bounced into Coalition inboxes — a sign of the deep disquiet still lurking in the ranks after September's leadership coup.

The talking points include notes on:
* Jobs and growth
* The Government's innovation plan
* Proposed changes to pathology services
* School funding
* The trade union royal commission

One of the sanctioned social media images circulated is a caricature of a masked criminal leering over a sign that reads: "Union donations to Labor."

One note targets Opposition Leader Bill Shorten, raising a series of questions about his appearance before the royal commission into trade unions, including:

* "Why did Mr Shorten do a deal that got rid of penalty rates in return for money for his union?"
* "Mr Shorten told the royal commission that in the cleaning industry complying with the award was the gold standard and the award was rarely complied with. Is Labor's position that it is happy to condone unlawful award breaches if the award standard is commercially unrealistic or threatens jobs?"
* "Some of the Cleanevent and Chiquita mushroom employees have publicly expressed their distress and dissatisfaction at how they were treated by Mr Shorten. Has Mr Shorten reached out to them to apologise for short-changing them?"

All governments and oppositions produce talking points for front and backbenchers but they are not usually circulated to the media.

This breach of confidence will fuel distrust in the ranks and is another small sign that holding the Liberal Party together will test the Prime Minister in this election year.

But Government ministers have defended the leaking of their party's talking points, saying it is not uncommon.

Employment Minister Michaelia Cash brushed off the leak as a "member who wants to be out there slightly earlier" than the rest of the party.

Her colleague Josh Frydenberg said that while some in the partyroom remained disgruntled after last year's leadership change, the party had to "move on from that".

"There are many people in the partyroom, obviously some are disgruntled, but that is not any different to what the Labor caucus is like," he said.

"I can't stop everybody or somebody might leak some talking points, but I don't think that reflects a broader sense of disunity in the Government at all."
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