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Reply #30 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:16pm

Let's hope that no Space Aliens ever discover us here on planet Earth. We would be fish in a barrel.

You can be 100% certain that their attitude towards us would be entirely pragmatic and exploitive, viewing us as an energy source for performing certain kinds of slavery, and possibly also seeing us as a source of protein to be farmed and bred for the abattoirs.

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Reply #31 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:23pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Let's hope that no Space Aliens ever discover us here on planet Earth. We would be fish in a barrel.

You can be 100% certain that their attitude towards us would be entirely pragmatic and exploitive, viewing us as an energy source for performing certain kinds of slavery, and possibly also seeing us as a source of protein to be farmed and bred for the abattoirs.

and not forgetting the anal probes..

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Reply #33 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:31pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Let's hope that no Space Aliens ever discover us here on planet Earth. We would be fish in a barrel.

You can be 100% certain that their attitude towards us would be entirely pragmatic and exploitive, viewing us as an energy source for performing certain kinds of slavery, and possibly also seeing us as a source of protein to be farmed and bred for the abattoirs.

and not forgetting the anal probes..

Oh hell yes! I forgot about them. Homos will be climbing their roofs to unfurl huge banners saying "LAND HERE BOYS! THIS IS WHERE IT'S ALL AT! DON'T KEEP ME WAITING!"

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Reply #34 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:14pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:52am:

The default position of nearly all species is extinction.
i actually think humans may well be a virus on mother earth .
I'd be very surprised if there is not some catastrophic virus in the next century.
I here there is a mosquito born virus which is devestating south america and producing thousands of babies with brain defects.
Mother nature will surely wipe most of us out.
Things would get extremely nasty in a developed country if everyone missed their next 3 meals.
the likelihood of this would appear very high.
Loyalty should exist to your immediate social circle (about 150 people).
Any concerns for people outside that 150 are really "pie in the sky, fanciful and imaginary"
if and when severe evolutionary stress does occur, dont expect people to all come together and sing koombaya.

get yourself a group of 150 and develop the closest ties you can with them. truly love them and have their back.

the luvvies on Q and A that want universal love dont understand human psychology and will be friendless and alone if stress strikes.

Love , laughter and legacy....the natural state of a human is to protect his kin, protect his tribe and defend them against evil.

when the light goes out...darkness will enter.
All the good that you create , will be attacked , unless you defend it.....to not think so , is just naive Wink

I totally agree..

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Reply #35 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:18pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:02am:

[quote author=jalane3311@yahoo.c link=1453825811/0#0 date=1453825811]

Just wondering what people think about the probability of other intelligent species existing out there.

To kick off, I think we have been ''watched'' for a very long time.

Being effectively confined to this small planet, .....almost always in conflict with each other [throughout our recorded history], .....and, we [mankind] barely understand anything about our own [real] circumstances, ....and yet you credit mankind with being an intelligent species. !!!!!

Emma,

I like a to read a little humour in the morning. Wink

Mankind.

Clever, and inventive, YES we are!

But an intelligent species ???

As a species, man is brutal, ignorant, proud, vain, driven by motives of self interest and pleasure seeking.

Often rapacious, and ruthless.

A species which will casually disregard [and try to suppress] any truth which threatens its own interests.

e.g.
Barely 170 years ago, the medical establishment in Europe practically ostracized a doctor [Ignaz Semmelweis] for suggesting that doctors examining pregnant women and delivering babies, ought to wash their hands between examining each patient.

He was derided for suggesting that doctors themselves [because of cross-infection], could be the cause of the very high mortality among women who were delivering children, in European hospitals, in those times.

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Semmelweis proposed the practice of washing hands with chlorinated lime solutions in 1847 while working in Vienna General Hospital's First Obstetrical Clinic.....
Despite various publications of results where hand washing reduced mortality to below 1%, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. Some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and Semmelweis could offer no acceptable scientific explanation for his findings. Semmelweis's practice earned widespread acceptance only years after his death,

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Mankind.

An intelligent species ? Cheesy

Yes, we are being watched.

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The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding

In all of the directions it can whizz

As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,

Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.

So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,

How amazingly unlikely is your birth,

And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,

'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

- Monty Python's Meaning of Life
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Pay that poster.

I think we are intelligent, but I don't think we are civilised, as in, acting for the best outcomes for all of us.
Our internecine savagery is something we must discard, or we are truly lost.

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Re: Are we alone in the Universe?
Reply #36 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

Emma wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:30am:

I think it is absurd to think we are alone in this reality...

Why is that, exactly?

We exist in a relatively sparse area of space, and the sheer odds of us being the only intelligent life in the WHOLE universe is simply ridiculous.

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Reply #38 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Its more than a gut feeling.

Yes.

It's also wishful thinking.

Explain how so?

Gut feeling, wishful thinking, whatever.

I don't know what's going on in their minds.

Too much TV? Probably.

So no smacking idea, glad we got that out of the way.

That's correct.

I'm merely taking a guess.

It's all I can do, as those who believe we are not alone only ever have one "argument":

"There are so many planets, that there must be life on one of them".

Why?

Can you answer that?

Apart from "there just must be", can you offer a plausible explanation?

The answer is obvious GP ... WE EXIST.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Are we alone in the Universe? Reply #39 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:26am Its time wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:24pm: They would be insane to come here if there was , we cant even get along with each other . ... and some of them might convert to Islam and take it back with them to their planet like a deadly virus ...
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Re: Are we alone in the Universe?
Reply #40 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:28am

Emma wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Its more than a gut feeling.

Yes.

It's also wishful thinking.

Explain how so?

Gut feeling, wishful thinking, whatever.

I don't know what's going on in their minds.

Too much TV? Probably.

So no smacking idea, glad we got that out of the way.

That's correct.

I'm merely taking a guess.

It's all I can do, as those who believe we are not alone only ever have one "argument":

"There are so many planets, that there must be life on one of them".

Why?

Can you answer that?

Apart from "there just must be", can you offer a plausible explanation?

The answer is obvious GP ... WE EXIST.

That answer makes no logical sense.

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Reply #41 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:29am

Emma wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

Emma wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:30am:

I think it is absurd to think we are alone in this reality...

Why is that, exactly?

We exist in a relatively sparse area of space, and the sheer odds of us being the only intelligent life in the WHOLE universe is simply ridiculous.

Explain your reasoning.

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Reply #42 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 7:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:30am:

At least you're consistent in being wishy-washy.

It's not wishy-washy.

"Are we alone in the universe"?

There are only two possible answers:

1) yes

2) no

Thus, the probability is 0.5

It doesn't work like that. We have a sample of 1. The only life we know about is here on Earth. We can only guess how life initiated on earth and there are about 3 competing theories. The conditions for life to survive are probably different for the conditions for life to initiate itself. (Shut up Yadda).

There has been some work carried out by astrobiologists recently that concluded that life may be rarer that we thought.

When you ask if we are alone in the Universe, would primitive monocellular life on Gliese 581 (or whatever) count as not being alone? Or does it have to be intelligent life?

It's one thing to have the right conditions for life to survive, but the question of how life started is unknown, and we know nothing about how easy it is to start. All we know is that it commenced on Earth. We have a sample of 1.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2011/aug/01/extraterrestrial-life-could...

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Just because life emerged early on Earth does not mean that this is likely to occur on other Earth-like planets, says a pair of US astrophysicists. The researchers' new mathematical model says that life could just as easily be rare – putting a damper on the excitement surrounding the recent discovery of Earth-like planets orbiting stars other than the Sun.

Now those words of wisdom come from an astrobiologist. That's an interesting profession. They don't actually study life like other biologists. They just think about it, because they don't actually have any extraterrestrial life to study.

Greggary - I maintain that the probability is not 0.5, but rather 0.023809524, which is the inverse of 42. I'm not an astrobiologist, but anybody who spends all day thinking about hypothetical life that nobody knows anything about, must be regarded with a certain amount of suspicion. I conclude that all astrobiologists must be stark staring mad, just like all theologists.

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Reply #43 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:04pm

Ellen Stofan believes that extraterrestrial life will be discovered by 2025.

http://www.space.com/29041-alien-life-evidence-by-2025-nasa.html

I don't share his optimism. There is much more evidence that life evolved on Earth than on Mars. OK, some of the precursor chemicals may be found in comets, but not life itself, as far as we know at this time.

NASA is known for making bold claims.

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