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Are we alone in the Universe?
Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:30am

Just wondering what people think about the probability of other intelligent species existing out there.

To kick off, I think we have been ''watched'' for a very long time.
I think it is absurd to think we are alone in this reality... and I'd admonish us all to give heed to the words of Stephen Hawkings, who said recently we 'd be best to avoid them (my words). He compared Earth to North America before Columbus, and what happened to the indigent inhabitants afterwards, as an example.

Pity we can't do that though. Huh

I find that idea from him that we COULD avoid them somewhat oblique.

Perhaps he is suggesting that we, as human beings, start acting like civilised beings.?

So, I have no doubt that we are NOT alone, and THEY know about us.
I have personally had one unexplainable occurrence that convinces me that we are very much not alone. No..

not an alien abduction. Cool

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95485 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Are we alone in the Universe? Reply #1 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:19am Maybe there were intelligent beings somewhere but their civilisation has long since died out?
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Are we alone in the Universe? Reply #2 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:12am its strange but I must have more things to worry about... than whos up there.. I never give it a thought to be honest.
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Re: Are we alone in the Universe?
Reply #4 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:52am

The default position of nearly all species is extinction.
i actually think humans may well be a virus on mother earth .
I'd be very surprised if there is not some catastrophic virus in the next century.
I here there is a mosquito born virus which is devestating south america and producing thousands of babies with brain defects.
Mother nature will surely wipe most of us out.
Things would get extremely nasty in a developed country if everyone missed their next 3 meals.
the likelihood of this would appear very high.
Loyalty should exist to your immediate social circle (about 150 people).
Any concerns for people outside that 150 are really "pie in the sky, fanciful and imaginary"
if and when severe evolutionary stress does occur, dont expect people to all come together and sing koombaya.

get yourself a group of 150 and develop the closest ties you can with them. truly love them and have their back.

the luvvies on Q and A that want universal love dont understand human psychology and will be friendless and alone if stress strikes.

Love , laughter and legacy....the natural state of a human is to protect his kin, protect his tribe and defend them against evil.

when the light goes out...darkness will enter.
All the good that you create , will be attacked , unless you defend it.....to not think so , is just naive Wink

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131547 Gender:	Re: Are we alone in the Universe? Reply #5 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:57am Emma wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:30am: I think it is absurd to think we are alone in this reality... Why is that, exactly?
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Re: Are we alone in the Universe?
Reply #6 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:02am

Emma wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:30am:

Just wondering what people think about the probability of other intelligent species existing out there.

To kick off, I think we have been ''watched'' for a very long time.

Being effectively confined to this small planet, .....almost always in conflict with each other [throughout our recorded history], .....and, we [mankind] barely understand anything about our own [real] circumstances, ....and yet you credit mankind with being an intelligent species. !!!!!

Emma,

I like a to read a little humour in the morning. Wink

Mankind.

Clever, and inventive, YES we are!

But an intelligent species ???

As a species, man is brutal, ignorant, proud, vain, driven by motives of self interest and pleasure seeking.

Often rapacious, and ruthless.

A species which will casually disregard [and try to suppress] any truth which threatens its own interests.

e.g.
Barely 170 years ago, the medical establishment in Europe practically ostracized a doctor [Ignaz Semmelweis] for suggesting that doctors examining pregnant women and delivering babies, ought to wash their hands between examining each patient.

He was derided for suggesting that doctors themselves [because of cross-infection], could be the cause of the very high mortality among women who were delivering children, in European hospitals, in those times.

Quote:

Semmelweis proposed the practice of washing hands with chlorinated lime solutions in 1847 while working in Vienna General Hospital's First Obstetrical Clinic.....
Despite various publications of results where hand washing reduced mortality to below 1%, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. Some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and Semmelweis could offer no acceptable scientific explanation for his findings. Semmelweis's practice earned widespread acceptance only years after his death,

Google

Mankind.

An intelligent species ? Cheesy

Yes, we are being watched.

Quote:

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding

In all of the directions it can whizz

As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,

Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.

So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,

How amazingly unlikely is your birth,

And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,

'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

- Monty Python's Meaning of Life

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131547 Gender:	Re: Are we alone in the Universe? Reply #7 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:00am aquascoot wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:52am: when the light goes out...darkness will enter. So profound.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Are we alone in the Universe? Reply #8 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:30am The probability of intelligent life being out there in the universe is extremely close to 1.
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Re: Are we alone in the Universe?
Reply #9 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:42am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:00am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:52am:

when the light goes out...darkness will enter.

So profound.

http://www.chicagonow.com/lists-that-actually-matter/files/2011/07/smart-horse.j...

the problem with the modern man who DOESNT focus on his social circle, family and close friends is this....

we probably grew up in villages of 100 to 200 people, we knew all these people, they were our kin. We cared not a jot for other tribes (why should we). We had a doctor and a vet and a cook and we had relationships within our 150....all very functional.

nowadays people (and particularly global lefties ) have become divorced from what is functional and normal.

I'm sure many people nowadays look upon Jamie Oliver as the chef in their 150 social circle.
They probably think Dr Oz is their doctor
They think Dr Chris Brown is their local vet.
Hell some deluded girls seriously think Justin Beiber is their boyfirend .

The internet has globalised what should be localised.

People need to get out of this fanciful UN mindset and start to worry about their neighbours (half of whom your average chode who watches ABC and weeps over syria, wouldnt even know the names of their neighbours).

Keep it real, in the end everyone is existentially alone.
Embrace that and then focus all your strength on your immediate brothers and sisters.

Even the ISIS members have a better sense of unity then the average westerner who has facebook friends, is estranged from his family, has porn instead of a girlfriend and scorns the kinship of his local church......

the average western chode is totally alone.
He's so alone, he seeks friendship on the internet.
He watches Q and A and feels identified with other disaffected loner scrubs

How pitiful Wink

Darkness has truly entered his life

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Re: Are we alone in the Universe?
Reply #10 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:44am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

I'm sure many people nowadays look upon Jamie Oliver as the chef in their 150 social circle.
They probably think Dr Oz is their doctor
They think Dr Chris Brown is their local vet.
Hell some deluded girls seriously think Justin Beiber is their girlfriend.)

As a leftie I can say

Chris Brown is a poo vet
Jamie Oliver uses too much olive oil
Dr Oz peddles rubbish.

Done?

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Are we alone in the Universe?
Reply #11 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:22am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

I'm sure many people nowadays look upon Jamie Oliver as the chef in their 150 social circle.
They probably think Dr Oz is their doctor
They think Dr Chris Brown is their local vet.
Hell some deluded girls seriously think Justin Beiber is their girlfriend.)

As a leftie I can say

Chris Brown is a poo vet
Jamie Oliver uses too much olive oil
Dr Oz peddles rubbish.

Done?

True, but rightards, small business people RECOGNISE the vital importance of actual humans who you can count on.
I can 100 % count on my nieghbours and they can 100 % count on me.
I'll bet your average city chode , living in an apartment block cannot name his neighbours.
I'll bet he watches Q and A and calls himself a "humanist" and gets in the lift in his apartment block and couldnt even be bothered striking up a conversation.

Lefty Intellectuals think they are great humanists , going on little marches over the harbour bridge to say sorry (despite the fact they have never spoken to an aborigine)
going on twitter with #i'll ride with you , to support muslims (despite the fact theyve never spoken to one).

The lefty is simply not grounded.

Your average redneck bogan has his social circle at the pub or the TAB or the footy...he has real friends.

The leftard intellectual is "too much in his head"
He is truly alone Wink

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131547 Gender:	Re: Are we alone in the Universe? Reply #12 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:25am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:30am: The probability of intelligent life being out there in the universe is extremely close to 1. Why do you say that? I'd suggest that it's more likely to be 0.5
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Are we alone in the Universe? Reply #13 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:30am At least you're consistent in being wishy-washy.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131547 Gender:	Re: Are we alone in the Universe? Reply #14 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:33am ... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:30am: At least you're consistent in being wishy-washy. It's not wishy-washy. "Are we alone in the universe"? There are only two possible answers: 1) yes 2) no Thus, the probability is 0.5
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