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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #75 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:56pm

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

Unemployment DROPPING,

Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds.

Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Deficit dropping.

Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish.

EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies.

The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #76 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:58pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

The best thing for Labor to do at this point in their tragic history is to go away, curl up with a good book and come back in 10 years when the people might have forgotten what a bunch of dills they are.

Says the bloke who knows the official emblem of the "L" Roll Eyes

iberal Party is actually an elephant.

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #78 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:33pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

Unemployment DROPPING,

Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds.

Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Deficit dropping.

Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish.

EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies.

The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended.

Labors last budget in the final budget outcome came in at $18B, The MYFEO is optimistically projecting this budget 2015/16 to end up at around $38B.

Yes the Liberals have improved the deficit by more than double.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #79 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 7:02pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

Unemployment DROPPING,

Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds.

Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Deficit dropping.

Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish.

EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies.

The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended.

Labors last budget in the final budget outcome came in at $18B, The MYFEO is optimistically projecting this budget 2015/16 to end up at around $38B.

Yes the Liberals have improved the deficit by more than double.

And conveniently forgets all the preceding budget deficits that far exceed the current one. Also ignores the fact that as much as $12B of the budget payments were artificially put off to be included in the next year. That would be why the only year you quote is the only relatively good results in 7 years.

Selective quoting - a typical Labor reporting style.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #80 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:14pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

Unemployment DROPPING,

Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds.

Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Deficit dropping.

Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish.

EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies.

The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended.

You seem to forget that if you don't post links, nobody will believe you.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #81 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 10:38pm

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

Unemployment DROPPING,

Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds.

Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Deficit dropping.

Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish.

EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies.

The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended.

You seem to forget that if you don't post links, nobody will believe you.

I just look at the posters name before its dismissed , i dont need any link Cheesy

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #82 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:55am

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

Unemployment DROPPING,

Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds.

Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Deficit dropping.

Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish.

EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies.

The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended.

You seem to forget that if you don't post links, nobody will believe you.

You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity?

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #83 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:21am

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow

how would you know? you've never once posted a link to prove anything ..... you just flap your gums, make crap up and hope everyone believes you. Then use the 'everytime i post evidence you don't believe it anyway' excuse

funnily enough, longy used to use the same tactic Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #84 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:02am

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity?

Budget final results from Australian Government budget web site.

2008 +21B (Surplus)
2009 -27B GFC
2010 -54B GFC + $42B stimulus spend.
2011 -47B Additional stimulus spending (Phase 2)
2012 -43B
2013 -18B

Here we see the impact of the GFC followed by decreasing deficits.

2014 -48.5B (result of cutting back income and uncontrolled spending).
2015 -37.9B (Started to reign in their excesses)
2016 -38B projected. (still poor performance)

So we look at the raw facts and it does not look impressive for the Liberals. They took power and went on a spending spree. The position today is that they seem to have somewhat arrested their deficit at a level $20 B above what they inherited.

Hardly impressive and there are no excuses for this failure.

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Reply #85 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:15am

While stumbling around in the 2016 budget paters I stumbled onto this: it is part of a table showing a structural deficit emerging from 2007. I seem to recall most conservative posters claiming that there is no such thing. Apparently the current government do not agree with this they are also pointing the finger at the Howard governments error.

Structural budget balance estimates
Month-Year Structural budget balance
2004-05 1.3
2005-06 1.2
2006-07 0.5
2007-08 -0.2
2008-09 -3.6
2009-10 -4.8
2010-11 -4.4
2011-12 -4.3
2012-13 -2.1
2013-14 -3.6
2014-15 -2.3
2015-16 -1.7

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Reply #86 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:23am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:02am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity?

Budget final results from Australian Government budget web site.

2008 +21B (Surplus)
2009 -27B GFC
2010 -54B GFC + $42B stimulus spend.
2011 -47B Additional stimulus spending (Phase 2)
2012 -43B
2013 -18B

Here we see the impact of the GFC followed by decreasing deficits.

2014 -48.5B (result of cutting back income and uncontrolled spending).
2015 -37.9B (Started to reign in their excesses)
2016 -38B projected. (still poor performance)

So we look at the raw facts and it does not look impressive for the Liberals. They took power and went on a spending spree. The position today is that they seem to have somewhat arrested their deficit at a level $20 B above what they inherited.

Hardly impressive and there are no excuses for this failure.

How could this be righties, doubling the budget deficit, in 6months, with no GFC, did somebody say the Adults are in charge, in charge of spending all the money like drunken sailors .

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #87 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:48pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

Unemployment DROPPING,

Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds.

Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Deficit dropping.

Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish.

EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies.

The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended.

You seem to forget that if you don't post links, nobody will believe you.

You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity?

You're posting from an obvious sock account because your main account got banned. You're not in any position to be criticising the integrity of others.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #88 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:02am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity?

Budget final results from Australian Government budget web site.

2008 +21B (Surplus)
2009 -27B GFC
2010 -54B GFC + $42B stimulus spend.
2011 -47B Additional stimulus spending (Phase 2)
2012 -43B
2013 -18B

Here we see the impact of the GFC followed by decreasing deficits.

2014 -48.5B (result of cutting back income and uncontrolled spending).
2015 -37.9B (Started to reign in their excesses)
2016 -38B projected. (still poor performance)

So we look at the raw facts and it does not look impressive for the Liberals. They took power and went on a spending spree. The position today is that they seem to have somewhat arrested their deficit at a level $20 B above what they inherited.

Hardly impressive and there are no excuses for this failure.

Are you going to factor in the mining boom of the labor years and how the current government is down $35B annually in mining revenue? Take that into account and we have an almost balanced budget.

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Reply #89 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:22am

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:02am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity?

Budget final results from Australian Government budget web site.

2008 +21B (Surplus)
2009 -27B GFC
2010 -54B GFC + $42B stimulus spend.
2011 -47B Additional stimulus spending (Phase 2)
2012 -43B
2013 -18B

Here we see the impact of the GFC followed by decreasing deficits.

2014 -48.5B (result of cutting back income and uncontrolled spending).
2015 -37.9B (Started to reign in their excesses)
2016 -38B projected. (still poor performance)

So we look at the raw facts and it does not look impressive for the Liberals. They took power and went on a spending spree. The position today is that they seem to have somewhat arrested their deficit at a level $20 B above what they inherited.

Hardly impressive and there are no excuses for this failure.

Are you going to factor in the mining boom of the labor years and how the current government is down $35B annually in mining revenue? Take that into account and we have an almost balanced budget.

The post following the one you have commented on shows the structural deficit.

I think you would understand that the budget bottom line has no option but to have already factored all of that into the equation.

Benefits from the mining boom continuing were overshadowed by the GFC and the mining boom was always going to come to an end eventually that is why Howard and Costello should not have locked the need for the income from it into Australia's budget bottom line.

This problem you point out is in fact Howards structural deficit, he locked spending into his budget expectation based on income that was never going to be there.

Yes Howard and Costello's error has bitten the Abbott / Turnbull government on the bum.

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