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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #60 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:35am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:39pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

The Liberals never cared less about employment until they accidentally had high employment happen to them under Howard, in fact when treasurer Howard deliberately drove high unemployment in the belief that creating a large pool of unemployed would drive down wage demand and break the stagflation cycle. Unfortunately if failed to work so we got high unemployment + stagflation.

thats a bit unfair... everything that labor did only created pockets of TEMPORARY employment... nothing that was mean to last....

pinkbatts and greenloans was all temporary all paid by "welfare".

all temporary public servants....

propping a dying industry up....AUstralian car manufacturing..... is more of the same thing..

creating an illusion about full [/i[i]]employment.....delaying the inevitable Roll Eyes

doesnt make it so!

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: What Labor Should Do Reply #61 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:49am Alternatively, those Labor people who don't read much, and there must be a few, could watch reruns of The Block for 10 years or so.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: What Labor Should Do Reply #62 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:56am Its time wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:49pm: Labor only need to sit back and watch internal division in the Libs cause them to fall in a heap , the end .
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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #63 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

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double plus good Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5693 Gender:	Re: What Labor Should Do Reply #64 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:09am Labor need to dump Dollar Bill and replace him with someone who isn't a union crony. While they're at it, they need to put the union bosses in their places. So too with the loony Greens. For anyone's information, I'm a union member and a once loyal Labor voter. Fed up with them; can't see myself voting ALP any time soon..
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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #65 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:15am

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

GILLIANRUDDS Pet Irishman was on 457 visa wonker Angry

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #66 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:18am

double plus good wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

Labor need to dump Dollar Bill and replace him with someone who isn't a union crony. While they're at it, they need to put the union bosses in their places. So to with the loony Greens. For anyone's information, I'm a union member and a once loyal Labor voter. Fed up with them; can't see myself voting ALP any time soon..

you are the first lefty I have read who sees them for what they are..

and recognises the way they are heading is the wrong way..

you cannot have a group of unelected people controlling the govt....

gweg has pointed out on many occasions the labor party was founded by the unions....it was then and is now...really a UNION PARTY..... and no matter what!!! they the Labor party owe the UNIONS....big time..

so it is never going to be free.......

I think it will be crushed under the weight of the past...

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #67 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:19am

teddybear wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:15am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

;D

GILLIANRUDDS Pet Irishman was on 457 visa wonker Angry

so true.... and what a waste of space he turned out to be.... Grin

we are probably still paying out his contract.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #68 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:34am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:39pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

The Liberals never cared less about employment until they accidentally had high employment happen to them under Howard, in fact when treasurer Howard deliberately drove high unemployment in the belief that creating a large pool of unemployed would drive down wage demand and break the stagflation cycle. Unfortunately if failed to work so we got high unemployment + stagflation.

Quite the creative retelling of history. Given that the entire world had very high unemployment and inflation, perhaps you are attributing just a tad too much to one person - Howard.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #69 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

Unemployment DROPPING, GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds. Deficit dropping.

Not bad results at all.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #70 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:29pm

double plus good wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

Labor need to dump Dollar Bill and replace him with someone who isn't a union crony.

Who would you suggest?

double plus good wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

While they're at it, they need to put the union bosses in their places. So too with the loony Greens. For anyone's information, I'm a union member and a once loyal Labor voter. Fed up with them; can't see myself voting ALP any time soon..

Why only union bosses though? If a party only focused on union bosses, they would be ignoring more than 99% of the corruption in this country.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #71 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:35pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

Unemployment DROPPING,

Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds.

Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Deficit dropping.

Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #72 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:44pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:34am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:39pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

The Liberals never cared less about employment until they accidentally had high employment happen to them under Howard, in fact when treasurer Howard deliberately drove high unemployment in the belief that creating a large pool of unemployed would drive down wage demand and break the stagflation cycle. Unfortunately if failed to work so we got high unemployment + stagflation.

Quite the creative retelling of history. Given that the entire world had very high unemployment and inflation, perhaps you are attributing just a tad too much to one person - Howard.

lol, here we go Roll Eyes

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #73 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:47pm

cods wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:18am:

double plus good wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

Labor need to dump Dollar Bill and replace him with someone who isn't a union crony. While they're at it, they need to put the union bosses in their places. So to with the loony Greens. For anyone's information, I'm a union member and a once loyal Labor voter. Fed up with them; can't see myself voting ALP any time soon..

you are the first lefty I have read who sees them for what they are..

and recognises the way they are heading is the wrong way..

you cannot have a group of unelected people controlling the govt....

gweg has pointed out on many occasions the labor party was founded by the unions....it was then and is now...really a UNION PARTY..... and no matter what!!! they the Labor party owe the UNIONS....big time..

so it is never going to be free.......

I think it will be crushed under the weight of the past...

--> cods forgets what international mining giants do for a crust Grin

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #74 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:49pm

cods wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:35am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:39pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

The Liberals never cared less about employment until they accidentally had high employment happen to them under Howard, in fact when treasurer Howard deliberately drove high unemployment in the belief that creating a large pool of unemployed would drive down wage demand and break the stagflation cycle. Unfortunately if failed to work so we got high unemployment + stagflation.

thats a bit unfair... everything that labor did only created pockets of TEMPORARY employment... nothing that was mean to last....

pinkbatts and greenloans was all temporary all paid by "welfare".

all temporary public servants....

propping a dying industry up....AUstralian car manufacturing..... is more of the same thing..

creating an illusion about full [/i[i]]employment.....delaying the inevitable Roll Eyes

doesnt make it so!

You should be on TV with analytical skills like that: maybe even a newspaper column Grin

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