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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #45 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:45am

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Investment in public transport should be done, but not if it means neglecting roads. That would be no better than Abbott's jihad against urban rail. We also need to consider bike paths.

All transport projects must be considered on their merits, and no proposal for transport infrastructure should be rejected on ideological grounds. A balanced approach is best.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: What Labor Should Do Reply #46 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am The best thing for Labor to do at this point in their tragic history is to go away, curl up with a good book and come back in 10 years when the people might have forgotten what a bunch of dills they are.
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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #47 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:16am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:42am:

macman wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:20am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:48am:

There are some good things on the list but it is not affordable in the short term but it does look like a good long term guide.

Agreed DNA.I think all Labor has to do for now is continue to release their policies and highlight the inept performance of the coalition. There is enough ammunition there but doubt Shorties ability to use it effectively. Sad

At this stage Shorten and Labor probably need to keep their dollars in the bank. Unlike Abbott they do not have a media propaganda machine behind them working for free.

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: What Labor Should Do Reply #48 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:18am bogarde73 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am: The best thing for Labor to do at this point in their tragic history is to go away, curl up with a good book and come back in 10 years when the people might have forgotten what a bunch of dills they are.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41314 Gender:	Re: What Labor Should Do Reply #49 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:25am bogarde73 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am: The best thing for Labor to do at this point in their tragic history is to go away, curl up with a good book and come back in 10 years when the people might have forgotten what a bunch of dills they are. yes
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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #50 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:25am

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

crocodile wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:18am:

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position.

The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration.

The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end.

National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth.

Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated.

Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease.

Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored.

The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people.

Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given.

Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered.

The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia.

The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed.

All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people.

Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws.

The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers.

The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister.

Have a share to inspire change.

Blah Blah Blah.

Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility

. It is all about 'gimme more'.

Actually, it refers to ALL of those things.

Did you ever learn to comprehend what you read?

No, I didn't think so.

She actually does have a good point. You'd do well to acknowledge it. There is little mention about important issues like reversing the appallingly low figures on productivity growth which feeds directly into real wages growth.

The entire rant is nothing more than ideology writ large. There are zero references to the responsibility of the individual; no discussion on work or innovation and no talk of unity - other than under International Socialism. It was utterly worthless.

You really are clueless, aren't you?

That's not socialism, airhead, it's merely restoring the status quo that the LNP destroyed.

You wouldn't have a clue what socialism actually is, you've been listening to right-wingers and Yanks for too long.

Wake up, or p1ss off.

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mariacostel

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #51 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:25am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

crocodile wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:18am:

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position.

The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration.

The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end.

National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth.

Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated.

Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease.

Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored.

The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people.

Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given.

Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered.

The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia.

The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed.

All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people.

Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws.

The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers.

The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister.

Have a share to inspire change.

Blah Blah Blah.

Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility

. It is all about 'gimme more'.

Actually, it refers to ALL of those things.

Did you ever learn to comprehend what you read?

No, I didn't think so.

She actually does have a good point. You'd do well to acknowledge it. There is little mention about important issues like reversing the appallingly low figures on productivity growth which feeds directly into real wages growth.

The entire rant is nothing more than ideology writ large. There are zero references to the responsibility of the individual; no discussion on work or innovation and no talk of unity - other than under International Socialism. It was utterly worthless.

You really are clueless, aren't you?

That's not socialism, airhead, it's merely restoring the status quo that the LNP destroyed.

You wouldn't have a clue what socialism actually is, you've been listening to right-wingers and Yanks for too long.

Wake up, or p1ss off.

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #52 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:24pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:25am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

crocodile wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:18am:

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position.

The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration.

The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end.

National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth.

Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated.

Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease.

Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored.

The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people.

Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given.

Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered.

The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia.

The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed.

All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people.

Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws.

The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers.

The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister.

Have a share to inspire change.

Blah Blah Blah.

Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility

. It is all about 'gimme more'.

Actually, it refers to ALL of those things.

Did you ever learn to comprehend what you read?

No, I didn't think so.

She actually does have a good point. You'd do well to acknowledge it. There is little mention about important issues like reversing the appallingly low figures on productivity growth which feeds directly into real wages growth.

The entire rant is nothing more than ideology writ large. There are zero references to the responsibility of the individual; no discussion on work or innovation and no talk of unity - other than under International Socialism. It was utterly worthless.

You really are clueless, aren't you?

That's not socialism, airhead, it's merely restoring the status quo that the LNP destroyed.

You wouldn't have a clue what socialism actually is, you've been listening to right-wingers and Yanks for too long.

Wake up, or p1ss off.

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

I don't see you making a contribution. As usual, you're just sniping at others from the sidelines.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #53 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:32pm

Tragic history? Grin

The Libs are literally the most incompetent sacks of poo this country has ever seen, they had basically one good period of Government because they fell into a Mining Boom that Keating set up and even then they spend a decade destroying every revenue stream and creating disasters left and right. The MTM NBN is the single largest infrastructure disaster in this countries history by a mile.

You could elect a bunch of Chimpanzees and they would do a better job than the Libs. The only reason Libs are even still a thing is because of a sycophantic media who treats them like precious children who can't take any real criticism, this is how things that Labor did (that weren't even negative) almost a decade ago are still brought up in the mainstream media, while the Libs pissing away hundreds of billions on MTM is 100% gagged in the media.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61286 Here Gender:	Re: What Labor Should Do Reply #54 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?
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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #55 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:12pm

Maria is just a paid liberal party shill.

The "innovation" agenda is hilariously stupid considering the Libs ripped hundreds of billions of dollars of investment into R&D out of the country, basically destroyed the CSIRO and doomed us to communications technology that was rolled out in other countries in the mid 90s for the next few decades.

Maria spouts innovation because she has been dictated by her Liberal Party office to use "Innovation" in her posts as that is the liberal party PR buzzword at the moment. Anyone who thinks the Libs give a crap about "innovation" while sucking off old landed industries at expense of everyone else is an idiot.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #56 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

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Re: What Labor Should Do
Reply #58 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:33pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:42am:

macman wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:20am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:48am:

There are some good things on the list but it is not affordable in the short term but it does look like a good long term guide.

Agreed DNA.I think all Labor has to do for now is continue to release their policies and highlight the inept performance of the coalition. There is enough ammunition there but doubt Shorties ability to use it effectively. Sad

At this stage Shorten and Labor probably need to keep their dollars in the bank. Unlike Abbott they do not have a media propaganda machine behind them working for free.

Silly picture of Maria crying here.

Just an obvious fact. I know you don't like those.

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Reply #59 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:39pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

The Liberals never cared less about employment until they accidentally had high employment happen to them under Howard, in fact when treasurer Howard deliberately drove high unemployment in the belief that creating a large pool of unemployed would drive down wage demand and break the stagflation cycle. Unfortunately if failed to work so we got high unemployment + stagflation.

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