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Has the Victoria Cross been devalued? (Read 9380 times)
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Re: Has the Victoria Cross been devalued?
Reply #75 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:12pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:01pm:
Homosexuality and military are correlated because love conquers all. The Greeks knew the answers by utilizing same sex couples in the military they fostered strong loyalties and unbreakable bonds.

Perhaps that's where the expression "gay blade' came from.

The $69 question is: are homosexuals attracted to the military or is the military attracted to homosexuals?

What would rear admirals be without a navy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece

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Homosexuality in the militaries of ancient Greece was regarded as contributing to morale.[1] Although the primary example is the Sacred Band of Thebes, a unit said to have been formed of same-sex couples, the Spartan tradition of military heroism has also been explained in light of strong emotional bonds resulting from homosexual relationships.[2] Various ancient Greek sources record incidents of courage in battle and interpret them as motivated by homoerotic bonds.

Some Greek philosophers wrote on the subject of homosexuality in the military. In Plato's Symposium, the interlocutor Phaedrus commented on the power of male sexual relationships to improve bravery in the military:[3]
... he would prefer to die many deaths: while as for leaving the one he loves in a lurch, or not succoring him in peril, no man is such a craven that the influence of Love cannot inspire him with a courage that makes him equal to the bravest born.

However, the Symposium is a dialectical exploration of the nature of true love, in which Phaedrus' views are soon found to be inadequate compared to the transcendent vision of Socrates, who:
...seizes this favourable moment in the talk at Agathon's party to suggest that visible beauty is the most obvious and distinct reflection in our terrene life of an eternal, immutable Beauty, perceived not with the eye but with the mind. He preaches no avoidance of the contest with appetite, but rather the achievement of a definite victory over the lower elements of love-passion, and the pursuit of beauty on higher and higher levels until, as in a sudden flash, its ultimate and rewarding essence is revealed.[4]

Xenophon, while not criticizing the relationships themselves, ridiculed militaries that made them the sole basis of unit formation:
they sleep with their loved ones, yet stations them next to themselves in battle ... with them (Eleians, Thebans) it's a custom, with us a disgrace ... placing your loved one next to you seems to be a sign of distrust ... The Spartans ... make our loved ones such models of perfection that even if stationed with foreigners rather than with their lovers they are ashamed to desert their companion.[5]

Social aspects[edit]
According to tradition, the Greeks structured military units along tribal lines, a practice attributed to Nestor in the Homeric epics. The Theban military commander Pammenes, however, is supposed to have advocated military organization based on pairs of lovers:[6]
Homer's Nestor was not well skilled in ordering an army when he advised the Greeks to rank tribe and tribe ... he should have joined lovers and their beloved. For men of the same tribe little value one another when dangers press; but a band cemented by friendship grounded upon love is never to be broken.


very sad state of low consciousness to redicule our military.
"greater love has no man then to lay down his life for his friends"
truly keyboard warriors LTYC and gweg .
no sense of contribution
unlike many who have been injured "defending all the good that we have created "


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Reply #76 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:13pm
 
went back to rescue an afghani helper under heavy fire

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Reply #77 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:15pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:04pm:
Gnads wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:02pm:
There are 3 Amigos in this thread who are just pathetic ferks ... that includes the author.


Wowee. Gnads confesses and outs himself!

The subject has excited Gnads out of his torpor and stupor.


Just accept the accolades Ned Nederlander you deserve no less.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #78 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:22pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
"greater love has no man then to lay down his life for his friends"


You mean lovers don't you? That's exactly what the Greeks were saying. Homosexual military is more committed than heterosexual.

There is no evidence that a heterosexual army has ever been victorious against a homosexual army.

Thanks for agreeing about the power of homosexuality in the military.
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Reply #79 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:35pm
 

"DEFENCE chiefs have confirmed for the first time there are 22 men accused of rape who remain serving members of the ADF, including one who has risen to the rank of an army colonel or an equivalent post."

“It is possible that male cadets who raped female cadets at ADFA in the late 1990s and other cadets who witnessed such rape and did not intervene, may now be in ‘middle’ to ‘senior’ management positions in the ADF,’’ the report stated."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/22-australian-defence-force-members-ac...
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Reply #80 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:36pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
"greater love has no man then to lay down his life for his friends"


You mean lovers don't you? That's exactly what the Greeks were saying. Homosexual military is more committed than heterosexual.

There is no evidence that a heterosexual army has ever been victorious against a homosexual army.

Thanks for agreeing about the power of homosexuality in the military.
And in aboriginal culture.
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Reply #81 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:38pm
 

"More than 100 compensation claims for sexual and physical abuse stretching back more than half a century have been lodged against the Department of Defence, as it grapples with millions of dollars in legal claims the government says pose a potential fiscal risk."

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defence-hit-by-wave-of-com...
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Reply #82 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 2:17pm
 
double plus good wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:36pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
"greater love has no man then to lay down his life for his friends"


You mean lovers don't you? That's exactly what the Greeks were saying. Homosexual military is more committed than heterosexual.

There is no evidence that a heterosexual army has ever been victorious against a homosexual army.

Thanks for agreeing about the power of homosexuality in the military.
And in aboriginal culture.


British Aboriginals?
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Reply #83 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 2:24pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 2:17pm:
double plus good wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:36pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
"greater love has no man then to lay down his life for his friends"


You mean lovers don't you? That's exactly what the Greeks were saying. Homosexual military is more committed than heterosexual.

There is no evidence that a heterosexual army has ever been victorious against a homosexual army.

Thanks for agreeing about the power of homosexuality in the military.
And in aboriginal culture.


British Aboriginals?
In  aboriginal tribal culture  a warrior is made when a tribal elder gets to stick his dirty uncircumcised member up a pre pubescent aboriginal boys bum hole. Sounds like an excuse to rape somebody I believe. Lips Sealed Lips Sealed
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Reply #84 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 2:25pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:38pm:
"More than 100 compensation claims for sexual and physical abuse stretching back more than half a century have been lodged against the Department of Defence, as it grapples with millions of dollars in legal claims the government says pose a potential fiscal risk."

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defence-hit-by-wave-of-com...



LOL   100 cases in 50 years,  as opposed to Cologne with 100 cases in 50 minutes. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #85 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 2:28pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 2:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:38pm:
"More than 100 compensation claims for sexual and physical abuse stretching back more than half a century have been lodged against the Department of Defence, as it grapples with millions of dollars in legal claims the government says pose a potential fiscal risk."

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defence-hit-by-wave-of-com...



LOL   100 cases in 50 years,  as opposed to Cologne with 100 cases in 50 minutes. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Laughing at (and condoning) sexual abuse isn't a good look, aqua.



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Reply #86 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 2:49pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:13pm:
went back to rescue an afghani helper under heavy fire



I had a chance to listen to Mark Donaldson, Live, last year..

he was bloody brilliant.. he talked about early life and being a bit of a ratbag on the streets.. his father died early and then some time later his mother disappeared only to be found dead - I think, some years later..

if he didn't join the ARMY he'd have probably ended up in jail..

sometimes young ratbags just need a focus.. to be in a team, to be accepted, to look after their mates and have their mates look after him..

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Reply #87 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:27pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 2:49pm:
I had a chance to listen to Mark Donaldson, Live, last year..

he was bloody brilliant.. he talked about early life and being a bit of a ratbag on the streets.. his father died early and then some time later his mother disappeared only to be found dead - I think, some years later..

if he didn't join the ARMY he'd have probably ended up in jail..

sometimes young ratbags just need a focus.. to be in a team, to be accepted, to look after their mates and have their mates look after him..


Stoppit! You're killing me.

People who enjoy killing other people often join the army where they get paid for it instead of having a hobby.
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Reply #88 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:47pm
 
Gregg and Laugh why don't you do a Thelma and Louise for us all here and give us a bit of comic relief by doing a canyon deed of daring do.

Please live stream it all the way down.  You can hold hands and yell 'homosexuals forever'. It would help no end with the hits on this site. Wink
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Reply #89 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:55pm
 
red baron wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:47pm:
Gregg and Laugh why don't you do a Thelma and Louise for us all here and give us a bit of comic relief by doing a canyon deed of daring do.

Please live stream it all the way down.  You can hold hands and yell 'homosexuals forever'. It would help no end with the hits on this site. Wink


Wouldn't do that to you Red darling. It would divert your attention from your gay porn web site and you might lose your grip.
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