random wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 5:40am:


The military is the cradle of male homosexuality.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:53am:


Indeed.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

There's certainly something wrong with this, though:

"HMAS Leeuwin abuse cases asked to be considered by royal commission into child sexual abuse"

"Between 1960 and 1984, 13,000 young boys joined the Navy as junior recruits. The majority did their first year of training at the WA naval base.

"Over that time, many were subjected to a culture of bullying and bastardisation that in some cases went as far as rape, sexual assault and painful and humiliating discipline."

In The Navy

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 11:01am:


As exemplified by drowning sailors shouting "throw me a boy" with their last breath.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:


Serving is for the disposable poor, the confused teenagers and the patriotic drifters.

With the exception is the draftees e.g. Nam.

But you choose to politisise the conversation, as you probably do any other thread.

The current federal government is right wing, get a grip.  Seems that that has messed with your myopic brain and you have to blame someone else.

Homosexuality in the militaries of ancient Greece was regarded as contributing to morale.[1] Although the primary example is the Sacred Band of Thebes, a unit said to have been formed of same-sex couples, the Spartan tradition of military heroism has also been explained in light of strong emotional bonds resulting from homosexual relationships.[2] Various ancient Greek sources record incidents of courage in battle and interpret them as motivated by homoerotic bonds.

Some Greek philosophers wrote on the subject of homosexuality in the military. In Plato's Symposium, the interlocutor Phaedrus commented on the power of male sexual relationships to improve bravery in the military:[3]
... he would prefer to die many deaths: while as for leaving the one he loves in a lurch, or not succoring him in peril, no man is such a craven that the influence of Love cannot inspire him with a courage that makes him equal to the bravest born.

However, the Symposium is a dialectical exploration of the nature of true love, in which Phaedrus' views are soon found to be inadequate compared to the transcendent vision of Socrates, who:
...seizes this favourable moment in the talk at Agathon's party to suggest that visible beauty is the most obvious and distinct reflection in our terrene life of an eternal, immutable Beauty, perceived not with the eye but with the mind. He preaches no avoidance of the contest with appetite, but rather the achievement of a definite victory over the lower elements of love-passion, and the pursuit of beauty on higher and higher levels until, as in a sudden flash, its ultimate and rewarding essence is revealed.[4]

Xenophon, while not criticizing the relationships themselves, ridiculed militaries that made them the sole basis of unit formation:
they sleep with their loved ones, yet stations them next to themselves in battle ... with them (Eleians, Thebans) it's a custom, with us a disgrace ... placing your loved one next to you seems to be a sign of distrust ... The Spartans ... make our loved ones such models of perfection that even if stationed with foreigners rather than with their lovers they are ashamed to desert their companion.[5]

Social aspects[edit]
According to tradition, the Greeks structured military units along tribal lines, a practice attributed to Nestor in the Homeric epics. The Theban military commander Pammenes, however, is supposed to have advocated military organization based on pairs of lovers:[6]
Homer's Nestor was not well skilled in ordering an army when he advised the Greeks to rank tribe and tribe ... he should have joined lovers and their beloved. For men of the same tribe little value one another when dangers press; but a band cemented by friendship grounded upon love is never to be broken.

There are 3 Amigos in this thread who are just pathetic ferks ... that includes the author.