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Question: Do you support a republic

Yes    
  13 (36.1%)
No    
  14 (38.9%)
Yes, but with conditions    
  9 (25.0%)
No because the coins cost too much to change    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 36
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Reply #75 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:02am
 
Our Aboriginal people deserve a republic and full recognition of their appalling treatment by the British Empire....The day we tell the POMS to get stuffed will be a great day for this nation!!!

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Reply #76 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:03am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:02am:
Our Aboriginal people deserve a republic and full recognition of their appalling treatment by the British Empire....The day we tell the POMS to get stuffed will be a great day for this nation!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley


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Go on! Tell me to get STUFFED!

(Polled YES - but with conditions)


I'm mighty surprised at the NO vote count.

Who are you, and what's your reasoning?
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Reply #77 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:15am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:03am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:02am:
Our Aboriginal people deserve a republic and full recognition of their appalling treatment by the British Empire....The day we tell the POMS to get stuffed will be a great day for this nation!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley


Grin Grin Grin

Go on! Tell me to get STUFFED!

(Polled YES - but with conditions)


I'm mighty surprised at the NO vote count.

Who are you, and what's your reasoning?


Get stuffed!!!

Wink Wink Wink

I have no problem with individuals Herbert....It is the British Empire that represents a past Australia should reject....It is time for Australia to forge its own destiny and become a country with its own traditions and symbols that grow from a new beginning!!!

Colin (Emperor) Barnett named the Elizabeth Quay after the Queen when many eminent and well deserving West Australian's could have better represented the City and State....Monarchists are so out of touch with Australia it is time to cut their apron strings!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #78 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:34am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:56am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:49am:
... while you are more than welcome to hold an opinion for change, you can't spend money doing so without good reason.


Yes, "good reason" according to you.

That's merely your subjective point of view.

Others say that "feeling good" is a good reason.

You don't get to determine what a "good reason" is for everyone else.

Neither do I.




Yes, I do enjoy your sole focus on semantics, it adds a certain something to your argument.

I gave you the option and any republican to provide a good reason as opposed to a bad reason. Reasons can be analysed and given objective values, if you are not too stupid, if they can't then they can be classified as 'not good'


But you keep plugging away at your one single focal point, just like your mummy taught you.

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Reply #79 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:40am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:53am:
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You're missing the point again.

There is no one universal, objective "good reason" for change.

There are, however, many reasons to become a Republic.




And if they are of no real value to the country, then they are pointless and irrelevant.


If this helps I did use the word valid on more than one occasion, instead of good. I noticed you could have used it but didn't, maybe change out the modifier and give that one a go.


Valid
adjective
1. sound; just; well-founded:
a valid reason.

2. producing the desired result; effective:
a valid antidote for gloom.

3. having force, weight, or cogency; authoritative.

4. legally sound, effective, or binding; having legal force:
a valid contract.

5. Logic. (of an argument) so constructed that if the premises are jointly asserted, the conclusion cannot be denied without contradiction.

6. Archaic. robust; well; healthy.
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Reply #80 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:45am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:53am:
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You're missing the point again.

There is no one universal, objective "good reason" for change.

There are, however, many reasons to become a Republic.



And if they are of no real value to the country, then they are pointless and irrelevant.



"value" according to whom?

Some argue that "feeling good" is quite valuable.

Again, you are merely stating your subjective view.

You don't get to determine what's "good" for the rest of the country.

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Reply #81 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:50am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:34am:
Yes, I do enjoy your sole focus on semantics, it adds a certain something to your argument.

I gave you the option and any republican to provide a good reason as opposed to a bad reason.



Absolutely nothing to do with semantics (you should probably check that word in the dictionary).

Moreover, what constitutes a "good reason" or a "bad reason" is completely subjective.

Many say that "feeling good" is a good reason.






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Reply #82 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:51am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:15am:
Colin (Emperor) Barnett named the Elizabeth Quay after the Queen when many eminent and well deserving West Australian's could have better represented the City and State....Monarchists are so out of touch with Australia it is time to cut their apron strings!!!

Colin Barnett (apparently) is a self-declared republican.

We named a hospital after Fiona Stanley... And god knows we apologise to Ms Stanley for that!
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Reply #83 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:56am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:45am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:53am:
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You're missing the point again.

There is no one universal, objective "good reason" for change.

There are, however, many reasons to become a Republic.



And if they are of no real value to the country, then they are pointless and irrelevant.



"value" according to whom?

Some argue that "feeling good" is quite valuable.

Again, you are merely stating your subjective view.

You don't get to determine what's "good" for the rest of the country.




Still sticking with "good" are we?


I did, once again, use valid on more than one occasion when describing the reasons or benefits for change and will continue to do so.


Also at no time did I argue that I was the sole arbiter of what was 'good' or in this case valid; I did state back several replies to you, that it could be you or even a group of republicans. But without a valid reason for change then change should not occur.


Once these magical but elusive reasons or benefits are identified, then let the masses decide if they are worthy or valid.


I know you have nothing but your semantics to get you noticed, so feel free to focus elsewhere as I find your limited capabilities eventually tedious and not worthy or valid (see what I did there) for further interaction.  Grin


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Reply #84 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:59am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:56am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:45am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:53am:
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You're missing the point again.

There is no one universal, objective "good reason" for change.

There are, however, many reasons to become a Republic.



And if they are of no real value to the country, then they are pointless and irrelevant.



"value" according to whom?

Some argue that "feeling good" is quite valuable.

Again, you are merely stating your subjective view.

You don't get to determine what's "good" for the rest of the country.




Still sticking with "good" are we?


I did, once again, use valid on more than one occasion when describing the reasons or benefits for change and will continue to do so.




"valid" according to you, yes.

Once again, you're just putting forward your personal opinion.

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Reply #85 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 12:01pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:56am:
But without a valid reason for change then change should not occur.


Many people think that "feeling good" is a valid reason.

It's not up to you, or me, to tell them that they're wrong.

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Reply #86 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 12:09pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:02am:
Our Aboriginal people deserve a republic and full recognition of their appalling treatment by the British Empire....The day we tell the POMS to get stuffed will be a great day for this nation!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley



I suppose you can return those VCs when that happens, after all they were originally issued by a Monarch and approved by a Monarch......
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Reply #87 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 12:12pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:56am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:45am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:53am:
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You're missing the point again.

There is no one universal, objective "good reason" for change.

There are, however, many reasons to become a Republic.



And if they are of no real value to the country, then they are pointless and irrelevant.



"value" according to whom?

Some argue that "feeling good" is quite valuable.

Again, you are merely stating your subjective view.

You don't get to determine what's "good" for the rest of the country.




Still sticking with "good" are we?


I did, once again, use valid on more than one occasion when describing the reasons or benefits for change and will continue to do so.




"valid" according to you, yes.

Once again, you're just putting forward your personal opinion.




I did put the meaning of 'valid' up for you to read, pity your comprehensions skills are lacking.

Valid is not subjective, to be valid a hypothesis / theory must be able to be consistently replicated. A decent education will have told you that.


So an idea or reason must able to be consider of value by various groups to be considered valid. Multiple groups or individuals using intellectual reasoning to come to the same conclusion.


For example
It is not just my subjective opinion that swimming and consuming in raw sewerage is bad (opposite of good), it is valid because many, many exerts hold the opinion based on evidence and observation.

Or
It would be a benefit to Australia becoming a republic because all republics are cancer free and horses sh1t money.


See how it works

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Reply #88 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 12:16pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 12:01pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:56am:
But without a valid reason for change then change should not occur.


Many people think that "feeling good" is a valid reason.

It's not up to you, or me, to tell them that they're wrong.




When they are potentially fcckking up the country, then yeah it is.



Where is the benefit, another word I have used consistently but you have ignored.



No valid benefit, no reason to change.


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Reply #89 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 12:21pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:15am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:03am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:02am:
Our Aboriginal people deserve a republic and full recognition of their appalling treatment by the British Empire....The day we tell the POMS to get stuffed will be a great day for this nation!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley


Grin Grin Grin

Go on! Tell me to get STUFFED!

(Polled YES - but with conditions)


I'm mighty surprised at the NO vote count.

Who are you, and what's your reasoning?


Get stuffed!!!

Wink Wink Wink


Thank you. This will provide me with at least some temporary relief from my British Middle Class Guilt tripping ...

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:15am:
I have no problem with individuals Herbert....It is the British Empire that represents a past Australia should reject....It is time for Australia to forge its own destiny and become a country with its own traditions and symbols that grow from a new beginning!!!

Colin (Emperor) Barnett named the Elizabeth Quay after the Queen when many eminent and well deserving West Australian's could have better represented the City and State....Monarchists are so out of touch with Australia it is time to cut their apron strings!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley


Jesus Christ! Phil-of-Perth ... you sound like Hitler at one of his Rave Parties!

Grin Grin Grin





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