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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #60 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:36am

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:28am:

I would be more than happy to vote on those benefits on whether to change or not, but I will never support change, just so a few whiny socialists and skippy can feel better about themselves for a short while.

And that's your prerogative.

You think that a "good reason" for change is a "solid benefit".

Fine - that's your subjective point of view, and there's nothing wrong with it.

Others, however, think that a "good reason" for change is "feeling better about themselves".

And that's fine too - they're entitled to their subjective opinions as well.

The point is, there is no one (objective) "good reason" for making the change to a Republic.

Your "solid benefit" argument holds no more weight than the "feeling good" argument.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #61 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:40am I think anyone who has identity problems with the flag and or our head of state should quietly go off and get counseling. Instead of dragging the whole country through any changes. Perhaps if we are going to make some changes it could be West Australia's chance to escape from the Commonwealth.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150851 Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #62 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:40am Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:34am: Using this excuse is spending a load of money trying to fix a problem that does not exist. According to you, yes. Others, however, think that there is a problem.
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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #63 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:41am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:20am:

You're missing the point.

Who determines what a "good reason" actually is?

Well to this point I haven't even seen even a poor reason suggested ?

The starting point to find a good reason is a "reason"- any reason ?

Nobody seems to have one.

So far, from what I can work out, the main reason for offing our current system of government is:

1. We hate the poms and beating them at every sport (other than soccer, but who cares) they have ever invented is just not cutting it any-more.

2. Symbolism, or the 'vibe of the thing'.

3. The asians won't like us if they know we are a constitutional monarchy.

4. We don't need a reason for change other than we will feel better about ourselves.

It's got me fcckked how this didn't get up last time we voted, they are all rock solid arguments for change. Grin

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #64 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:41am Mind you if we get the republic, then we will just need the bananas.
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Reply #65 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:42am

Australia being a republic wouldn't make me feel better about myself.
How could something like a technical change make you feel better about yourself?
If that's what you need to make yourself feel better, you've got problems.
What would you need after that to feel better again? It's a constant need for change that drives your self-image and that's a bad thing.

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #66 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:42am

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:31am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

Name one thing that makes your life better living under a monarchy of another country?
I am a republican but I don't care that much about it either way.
I care more that we have the Union Jack on our flag.
Even the kiwis are smart enough to adopt a flag for the twenty first century instead on one created by a competition from a weetbix pack.
I think the sad thing is monarchists can not think of good reasons to stay a constitutional monarchy other than the old " doh we will have to change all the money" we will do that when the queen carks it anyway otherwise our coins would still have Queen Victoria on them. Roll Eyes

What is wrong with a county " feeling good" about itself as a reason for change?
As I said while I am a republican as is the new Australian of the year btw, I don't like the previous models put forward. So I voted no last time we had a vote on the issue as I will next time unless we have a model that is not based on the politicians telling us who the best person for the job is.

How does having the Union Jack on the flag affect you? Does it make bread more expensive for you? Do you get persecuted if you go somewhere because of it? Does it leave you curled up like a baby sucking your thumb when you think about it?

It doesn't represent current Australia or its past given many white settlers were not English and the ones that were were not wanted by England anyway they were sent here never to return.
Argue away, its your right, but at least forge a decent argument the old curtains will fade trick doesn't cut it. Roll Eyes

All of those who came on the First Fleet were English or subjects of the King George III at the time and the fleet sailed under the Union Jack. I know - I am a direct descendant of a member of the First Fleet ship called the Scarborough.

Many many many convicts sent here were Irish or Scot, please do keep up. Roll Eyes

not to mention the poms that were sent here were not wanted by the mother land. Anyone with convict ancestary had forebears sent here because they were not wanted in England.
One in three People living in Australia were not even born here.
The union jack and England no longer if they ever did represent Australians.

We have a very good flag which has a long standing history and is relevant to Australia.

The union jack and England no longer if they ever did represent Australians

Even though the relationship is not the same there is no harm in including the historical tie as part of our flag.

Never seen a suggested replacement flag for Australia that wasn't vastly inferior to what we currently have.

I see no point in spending a truck load of money to go backwards.

If we were to have some subtle change I would like to see the Aboriginal colours added to signify their importance and possibly a thin strip of random primary colours to signify European / Asian settlement etc.

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #67 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:45am

miketrees wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:40am:

I think anyone who has identity problems with the flag and or our head of state should quietly go off and get counseling.
Instead of dragging the whole country through any changes.

Perhaps if we are going to make some changes it could be West Australia's chance to escape from the Commonwealth.

Arrrrrr the treasonous scum they be. How dare they be speaking against our Queen. Off with their heads.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #68 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:45am I would like to see the Aboriginal colours added to signify their importance I think the Southern Cross does that
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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #69 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:48am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:42am: