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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150938 Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #240 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:32am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:27am: Why is there such a desire to rush to do this by the ALP and Left? I don't see the urgency. If we do it, lets get it right. What 'rush' and 'urgency'? I haven't seen that. In fact, it has been quite the opposite in this thread.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #241 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:36am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:27am: Why is there such a desire to rush to do this by the ALP and Left? I don't see the urgency. If we do it, lets get it right. We can at least agree as a country that our desire to be a republic is there. Then we can debate the form.
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Reply #242 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:39am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

Why is there such a desire to rush to do this by the ALP and Left? I don't see the urgency. If we do it, lets get it right.

Who said there is a rush? On the contrary, I specifically said yesterday that we must take our time and not be rushed by the monarchists as they will push the issue to be rushed so that it fails like it did when Howard gave us an option that the likes of me did not vote for as it is not the option I and many others prefer.
I also saw others write similar posts yesterday.

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Reply #243 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:50am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

Why is there such a desire to rush to do this by the ALP and Left? I don't see the urgency. If we do it, lets get it right.

We can at least agree as a country that our desire to be a republic is there. Then we can debate the form.

Yep.

There's no sense of urgency at all.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1453755751/185#185

In fact, I wouldn't want to see anything happen until Lizzie finishes her reign.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #244 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:00pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:27am: Why is there such a desire to rush to do this by the ALP and Left? I don't see the urgency. If we do it, lets get it right. Well, let's be fair here. The urgency is to make the switch before Prince Charles become our king ...
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Reply #245 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:02pm

skippy. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

Why is there such a desire to rush to do this by the ALP and Left? I don't see the urgency. If we do it, lets get it right.

Who said there is a rush?

As far as I can see, not one single person.

I'm not sure where Armpit gets his information from.

The same place as aquascoot, perhaps.

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Reply #246 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:30pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

Why is there such a desire to rush to do this by the ALP and Left? I don't see the urgency. If we do it, lets get it right.

We can at least agree as a country that our desire to be a republic is there. Then we can debate the form.

Why should we become a republic I would just as soon be a sausage roll or some other meaningless word ?

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Reply #247 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:32pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

Why is there such a desire to rush to do this by the ALP and Left? I don't see the urgency. If we do it, lets get it right.

We can at least agree as a country that our desire to be a republic is there. Then we can debate the form.

Why should we become a republic I would just as soon be a sausage roll or some other meaningless word ?

Right. Anyone with anything sensible to contribute? Dnarever has just given up.

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Reply #248 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:42pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

I reckon it boils down to a couple of questions. What do we want (assuming the Monarchy is booted, and the Parliamentary position is left unaltered...with a PM etc as we have now?)

1. A purely ceremonial figure-head.
2. A ceremonial figurehead with some declared/clearly defined power to exercise political influence on rare occasions.....and on what rare occasions.

WRONG. Totally. WRONG. IF Australia is to become a REPUBLIC (and thus getting rid of the Monarchy) we want to be able to VOTE

we should first have a vote on republic or not, so that the matter is settled, with the particular model to be voted upon at a later stage.

There's no need to rush it, tie the referendums in with elections if it means we save money. Decide the one question in conjunction with one election, decide on the model at the next one.

we should first have a vote on republic or not

IMO this is the worst possible process and the one that the Government and pro republic crowd want.

This is the method that potentially locks us into a republic model that we would vote against in preference to what we have.

In this stage one is to remove the very good system we have and to then leave us at the mercy of the unknown options later put on the table.

This is a process that would be very likely to leave us locked into the option of choosing the best of a poor selection of options at the end of the day. We could easily find that we a left with a vote of

A) Terrible option
B) Just as bad
C) Almost as bad as A and B

This could end up as an ambush designed to force us to take a republic model that they know we would never really vote for against the current system.

If I am going to vote for a new model I want to see the model up front and I want to have it stand against our current system. If it is good enough it can win.

Having a stage 1 vote where our current real system foibles and all is standing against some theoretical utopian make believe fairy tail is just a dishonest trick designed to remove the current system without telling us what the real alternatives look like.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 37527 Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #249 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:50pm another non issue, "real" australians wont go for it until our beloved monarch QE2 has passed and william and kate are more popular then any appointed intellectual elite could ever be. Have you read the Womens Weekly ??
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #250 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:51pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:50pm: another non issue, "real" australians wont go for it until our beloved monarch QE2 has passed and william and kate are more popular then any appointed intellectual elite could ever be. Have you read the Womens Weekly ?? Using that dumbass phrase of real australian again
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Reply #251 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:53pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

another non issue,
"real" australians wont go for it until our beloved monarch QE2 has passed and william and kate are more popular then any appointed intellectual elite could ever be.
Have you read the Womens Weekly ??

Using that dumbass phrase of real australian again

"real" australians know who i am referring to. Wink

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Reply #252 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:56pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

Why is there such a desire to rush to do this by the ALP and Left? I don't see the urgency. If we do it, lets get it right.

We can at least agree as a country that our desire to be a republic is there. Then we can debate the form.

Why should we become a republic I would just as soon be a sausage roll or some other meaningless word ?

Right. Anyone with anything sensible to contribute? Dnarever has just given up.

The point or the question is what is so special about the word republic ? Who want to be one of those ?

Makes no difference to anyone. Why not just turf the Queen keep our current system and call us something like the Constitutional democracy of Australia. Why a republic there are a thousand of them and most are not very good.

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Reply #253 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:59pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

Why is there such a desire to rush to do this by the ALP and Left? I don't see the urgency. If we do it, lets get it right.

We can at least agree as a country that our desire to be a republic is there. Then we can debate the form.

Why should we become a republic I would just as soon be a sausage roll or some other meaningless word ?

Right. Anyone with anything sensible to contribute? Dnarever has just given up.

The point or the question is what is so special about the word republic ? Who want to be one of those ?

Makes no difference to anyone. Why no just turf the Queen keep our current system and call us something like the Constitutional democracy of Australia. Why a republic there are a thousand of them and most are not very good.

Its just a term really, lots of "republicans" favour what you suggest. Keep current system, just exclude the Queen. I think it comes down to the modern definition of republic which is a government which excludes a monarch.

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Reply #254 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:13pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

Why is there such a desire to rush to do this by the ALP and Left? I don't see the urgency. If we do it, lets get it right.

We can at least agree as a country that our desire to be a republic is there. Then we can debate the form.

Why should we become a republic I would just as soon be a sausage roll or some other meaningless word ?

Right. Anyone with anything sensible to contribute? Dnarever has just given up.

The point or the question is what is so special about the word republic ? Who want to be one of those ?

Makes no difference to anyone. Why not just turf the Queen keep our current system and call us something like the Constitutional democracy of Australia. Why a republic there are a thousand of them and most are not very good.

We would still be "Australia".

There's no need to change the name to "The Republic of Australia", or anything else.

Remove the monarch, add a President (or whatever you want to call them), and we remain "Australia".

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Question: Do you support a republic
Yes 13 (36.1%) No 14 (38.9%) Yes, but with conditions 9 (25.0%) No because the coins cost too much to change 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 36 « Created by: skippy. on: Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:06am »